[mandarinka]

This seems like a common thing with in the more "religious" following of open source and related things that something happens, but you guys misuse the "patent troll" term a lot.

Patent trolling is something completely different. Patent troll has a few patents, lies in wait till the technology is broadly deployed in for-revenue shipping devices, then attacks a specific rich company and demands large sums for those specific patents at court. The payouts are large if successful.

This is plain IP pool - patent trolls don't offer mild/fair per-product fees to everyone, they only extort you at court when they target you. Note also how this is formed and made clear early in AV1 life, before any phone, standalone media player or processor/GPU could ship with AV1 support - patent troll would wait for a moment when a lot of devices would be out in the wild and make base for large damage claims. If they were patent troll, they would just foil themselves, because patent troll only reveals its hand after patent X ships in a lot of devices and products and company Y makes a lot of money on it, so that troll can ask court to grant it a share of that revenue. Just apply logic ffs.

What is so hard in seeing that some companies that didn't want to contribute to AV1/AOM/Google for free but still do video research have patented their results and see them being used/adapted in AV1, and thus they try to get a compensation?

Inb4 you believe that the MPEG-LA settlement with Google over VP8/VP9 was completely bogus and just an extortion that Google decided to pay away despite it being totally dishonest and nono of the patents were valid. People, chill and try to look at these things without the "free things are supreme, infallible and perfect, and everybody else never invents anything and only trolls and runs conspiracies against the true religion blah blah etc" bias.

Sorry for ranting and touching people's bubbles, but sometimes you have to go against popular opinions when they are incorrect and unfair. I like open source and open source media software a lot myself but we need to be honest.