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Old 22nd December 2010, 07:45   #12  |  Link
Lyris
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Well, I just tried the CCE default "Segment" setting and then transplanted the "FOX1" values from HCEnc. I would struggle to pick one result as being better than the other. If anything, the FOX1 matrix looks slightly worse, but this might as well just be a coincidence.

On the other hand, I find that the Quantizer Characteristics settings (Activity, Residual, Luma) are what make a bigger difference to the image (and, obviously bitrate most of all). I also re-ran the test with CCE SP3's Adaptive Quantization Matrix option disabled.

Note: images sharpened for the web to make differences more obvious.

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CCE SP3 Default Matrix. AAQM on.


Fox1 matrix. AAQM on.


CCE SP3 Default Matrix. AAQM off.


Fox1 matrix. AAQM off.


Just to reiterate my position: I have never seen changing the QM settings produce a "Wow, look at that!" result, so I choose to spend my time erasing defects in the master, pre-processing, and also correctly setting SP3's Activity/Residual/Luma settings. I would still like to understand why some people spend so much time with QM and I would like to see some cases where it has been worthwhile for them. Surely it can't all be theory?

Settings in all cases were 6mbps average (2/8 min/max), 9 passes, new VAF created each time, NTSC with 2:3 Pulldown. Picture settings were completely flat (no LPF) except for some slight roll-off for Horizontal chroma (my reasoning: this telecine transfer has fine coloured grain which can't be fully reproduced by stepping down 4:2:0, and filtering chroma results in less "coloured compression artefacts" in the difficult scenes). Quant characteristics were 20/40/70 (Activity/Residual/Luma). Motion estimation Normal, Picture Type Progressive.

Your thoughts? I'd just love to see a practical example, that's all.
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