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Old 21st May 2012, 05:11   #15121  |  Link
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I'll pick up one of those discs and see if I can repeat that. Not sure how that could happen... but it obviously can.
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Old 21st May 2012, 09:50   #15122  |  Link
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LPCM 2.0 recode to 640KBs ac3 2.0 - how?

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... I always let BD-RB reencode the audio to 640 DD AC3...
Please tell me how you tell BDRB to convert LPCM 2.0 to AC3 2.0 with 640KBs. I always get 192 KBs but would like to choose 640KBs or 448KBs instead. Do not know how to setup the KBs choice for LPCM input.

For output I use BD9/DVD9 and reduce capacity to 7700MiB for longer lasting burn results. I could use some of the free space for 640KBs recodes of the LPCM audio stream without reducing the excellent video recode quality.
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Old 21st May 2012, 10:16   #15123  |  Link
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Best BDRB practice for Java authorized BDs?

When I use the standard procedure, which works well for practical all of my non-java BDs, with my first and so far only java authorized BD I get a result where the screen remains black instead of showing the BD menu or starting to play the main video.

Nero Kwik (I de-installed PowerDVD a few days ago) plays the original BD back fine but not the backup (sentence borrowed from #15104).

Though I can use the two m2ts from BDRB of the 2 parts of the main movie to let multiAVCHD build a backup without the original menus.

What do I have to observe in order to follow best practice for full backups of java authorized BDs?
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Old 21st May 2012, 13:38   #15124  |  Link
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(sentence borrowed from #15104)
What??
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Old 21st May 2012, 15:30   #15125  |  Link
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Please tell me how you tell BDRB to convert LPCM 2.0 to AC3 2.0 with 640KBs. I always get 192 KBs but would like to choose 640KBs or 448KBs instead. Do not know how to setup the KBs choice for LPCM input.

For output I use BD9/DVD9 and reduce capacity to 7700MiB for longer lasting burn results. I could use some of the free space for 640KBs recodes of the LPCM audio stream without reducing the excellent video recode quality.
You don't. LPCM 2.0 only has two channels. 640Kbs AC3 is meant for 5 channels. Two channel audio is indistinguishable from the source encoded at 192Kbs.
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Old 21st May 2012, 15:34   #15126  |  Link
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When I use the standard procedure, which works well for practical all of my non-java BDs, with my first and so far only java authorized BD I get a result where the screen remains black instead of showing the BD menu or starting to play the main video.

Nero Kwik (I de-installed PowerDVD a few days ago) plays the original BD back fine but not the backup (sentence borrowed from #15104).

Though I can use the two m2ts from BDRB of the 2 parts of the main movie to let multiAVCHD build a backup without the original menus.

What do I have to observe in order to follow best practice for full backups of java authorized BDs?
Backup to BD-25. Your player (software or standalone) probably doesn't recognize the BD-J when it is output to a DVD+-R. That's because AVCHD (the standard for HD on DVD+-R) doesn't support BD-J -- it just happens that some players will treat DVD+-R as BD (BD-5/9)... and it works on those.
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Old 21st May 2012, 15:41   #15127  |  Link
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What??
Borrowed sentence:
'PowerDVD 11 plays all the originals back fine but not the backups'

It precisely describes my issue with BDRB rebuild java authored BD if I substitute the words ''PowerDVD 11' (which I recently uninstalled) by my the name of my current software player 'Nero Kwik' which I now use to pre-test BDRB and multiAVCHD output, though I am not talking about PIP but about java authored BD.

From what I see, the player loads a video of the correct time-length of the menu which it should play, but does not start to play it, thus the screen remains black and I cannot see and use the menu and as a consequence I cannot watch menu nor any titles, in short, it does not play the backup.

Have and need java BDs special settings in BDRB, which have to be applied in order to get a visible result?
Can somebody give me some hints what I should observe to avoid that replay issue and to get a working result.?
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Old 21st May 2012, 16:14   #15128  |  Link
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I answered you. I guess that's not the answer you wanted...
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Old 21st May 2012, 17:19   #15129  |  Link
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Have and need java BDs special settings in BDRB, which have to be applied in order to get a visible result?
Can somebody give me some hints what I should observe to avoid that replay issue and to get a working result.?
Original Blu-rays that have Java menus can be made as movie-only, no menus, and there should be no playback problems, be it software players or standalone players that support the AVCHD standard.
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Old 21st May 2012, 17:39   #15130  |  Link
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Backup to BD-25. Your player (software or standalone) probably doesn't recognize the BD-J when it is output to a DVD+-R. That's because AVCHD (the standard for HD on DVD+-R) doesn't support BD-J -- it just happens that some players will treat DVD+-R as BD (BD-5/9)... and it works on those.
Thank you for your answers!

I believe that our postings crossed. You answered while I conceived my answer to RobertM about the sentence I borrowed from his post because it expressed with fewest words what I wanted to say.

I am happy with your answers because they clarify these matters: more than 192 KBs for LPCM 2.0 audio are a waste of disk space and BD-J is a no-go for DVD+-R, thus no extra java-BD setups and hidden options for BD-J.

Though, as a simple user, I would prefer to backup to DVD+R DL because BD-25 are rather expensive where I live.
And as a simple user, I have to admit that I nourished the obviously unrealistic hope for a rebuild of the java menu from java to a 'simple (~speedmenu like)' menu using the menu videos and maintaining the pop-up options to select titles and named chapters.

Is the PS3 among those players that will treat DVD+-R as BD (BD-5/9)... ? Is it worth to burn BDRB's BD-J backup to DVD+DL for PS3 or will I burn a coaster?

Is the 'GoBD' step still needed before burning to DVD+RL for playing on PS3?

Edit:
BD-J on DVD+-R: Verified today, my PS3 V3.40 does NOT support it, neither does my Philips BD Player BDP3100.
Nero10 Kwik plays it perfectly including all menus, though.

BD-25 version plays perfectly on all above mentioned hw and sw players.


'goBD': is needed for non BD-J backups on DVD+-R to play on my PS3.
Does not help to play BD-J backups on DVD+-R on my PS3 or BDP3100.
Does not prevent BD-25 version to play well on my PS3.


What is the official advice concerning 'goBD' before burning to disc?

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Old 23rd May 2012, 01:25   #15131  |  Link
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Backup to BD-25. Your player (software or standalone) probably doesn't recognize the BD-J when it is output to a DVD+-R. That's because AVCHD (the standard for HD on DVD+-R) doesn't support BD-J -- it just happens that some players will treat DVD+-R as BD (BD-5/9)... and it works on those.
The Sharp BD-HP70U is one of those which so far has been able to play everything.
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Old 24th May 2012, 11:30   #15132  |  Link
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I've tried to convert a few Blu-ray folders with subtitles created by TSMuxer to DVD with the latest version of BD Rebuilder. They have all failed to integrate the subtitles with the same error.

This worked with previous versions.

Here is an example log:

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[19:42:09] BD Rebuilder v0.40.09 (beta)
[19:42:09] BEGIN - BATCH SEQUENCE
==========================
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[19:42:09] PROCESSING BATCH FILE [5]
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[05/22/12] BD Rebuilder v0.40.09 (beta)
[19:42:09] Source:  BLU-RAY
  - Input BD size: 4.53 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:38:20.769]
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
  - Mode: DVD-5, 720x480/576, AC3 Audio
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[19:42:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [19:42:09] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [19:42:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [19:44:06] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1280x720
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 141,477 frames
   - Bitrate: 5,671 Kbs
 - [19:44:06] Reencoding: VID_00000
 - [20:21:11] Video Encode complete
 - [20:21:11] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
[20:25:13]PHASE ONE complete
[20:25:13]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [20:25:13] Building ALTERNATE OUTPUT Structure
 - [20:25:13] Converting 1 subtitles to DVD format.
 - [20:26:32] Starting MPLEX.
 - [20:28:42] Multiplexing 1 subtitles into stream.
 - WARNING: Failed to integrate Subtitle_01
 - [20:30:10] Building DVD File Structure.
[20:32:39] - Encode and Rebuild complete
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[20:32:40] JOB: BLU-RAY finished.
==========================
[20:32:40] END - BATCH SEQUENCE
==========================
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Old 24th May 2012, 13:15   #15133  |  Link
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I tried to repeat the error you posted with "Sopranos, Season 1, Disc 5", but couldn't. Here's what you got:
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- [02:21:34] Processing: VID_00009 (8 of 12)
- [02:21:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
- [02:21:42] Reencoding video [VID_00009]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 210 frames
- Bitrate: -24,691 Kbs
- [02:21:42] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 1 of 2
- [02:21:49] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 2 of 2
- Encode failed. Aborting.
and here's what I got:
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- [12:30:26] Processing: VID_00009 (8 of 12)
- [12:30:26] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
- [12:30:32] Reencoding video [VID_00009]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 210 frames
- Bitrate: 15,000 Kbs
- [12:30:32] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 1 of 2
- [12:30:41] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 2 of 2
- [12:30:51] Video Encode complete
- [12:30:51] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- [12:30:58] Multiplexing M2TS
Can you post your settings (Config/INI contents)? Obviously something is different.
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Old 24th May 2012, 15:18   #15134  |  Link
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I tried to repeat the error you posted with "Sopranos, Season 1, Disc 5", but couldn't. Here's what you got:
and here's what I got:

Can you post your settings (Config/INI contents)? Obviously something is different.
I reran it with different options and got it to work. I don't remember exactly what I changed, but I believe I changed it to use LAVF. I'll play around with it to see if I can reproduce the error. I'm not surprised that you couldn't reproduce it. I believe the same file is present in other disks in the series and I didn't have a problem with those.

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Old 25th May 2012, 01:59   #15135  |  Link
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OK. I reproduced the problem. See below:

Code:
- [16:58:49] Processing: VID_00009 (8 of 12)
 - [16:58:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
 - [16:58:56] Reencoding video [VID_00009]
   - Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 210 frames
   - Bitrate: -24,691 Kbs
 - [16:58:56] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 1 of 2
 - [16:59:03] Reencoding: VID_00009, Pass 2 of 2
  - Encode failed.  Aborting.
  - BD-Rebuilder v0.40.09 (beta)
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
  - HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
  - FFDSHOW: 3882, Ok
  - WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC:  Ok
  - WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC:  Ok
  - WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC:  Ok
  - FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
  - FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec":  Ok
  - FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec":  Ok
  - AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
  - X264:  Ok
  - AFTEN:  Ok
BD_REBUILDER.INI:

Code:
[Options]
VERSION=0.38.0.4
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=8032
PRIORITY_CLASS=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;fra;ger;spa;
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=1
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
COMPLETION_BEEP=1
DGDECNV=0
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=E:\BD_REBUILDER WORKFILES\
SOURCE_PATH=X:\
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Ok, I'm a little confused. The INI you provided shows a version of "0.38.0.4", but your log shows "v0.40.09" -- if that were the case and you'd used it, BD Rebuilder would have updated the version number. Also the name of the file would be "BDREBUILDER.INI" rather than "BD_REBUILDER.INI".

I'll try it with those settings, though.
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Everytime I try to use BD Rebuilder, I get this error.

run-time error '75':

Path/File access error

It doesn't seem to matter where I put the working directory or which drive I put it on. Same error every single time. My OS is WinXP SP3.
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Everytime I try to use BD Rebuilder, I get this error.

run-time error '75':

Path/File access error
Does this happen as soon as you launch BD-Rebuilder? If so, then try renaming your BDRebuilder.ini file to something else and see if that helps it get past the initialization hurdle.
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Does this happen as soon as you launch BD-Rebuilder? If so, then try renaming your BDRebuilder.ini file to something else and see if that helps it get past the initialization hurdle.
Sounds like the INI is pointing to a non-existent path. That might happen when, for example, a USB (or other mountable drive) is removed that once was the path for input or output.

Try deleting BDREBUILDER.INI (from the installation folder) before starting BD-RB. It will re-create it with default settings.

[Edit] Too late -- RobertM already answered...
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Ok, I'm a little confused. The INI you provided shows a version of "0.38.0.4", but your log shows "v0.40.09" -- if that were the case and you'd used it, BD Rebuilder would have updated the version number. Also the name of the file would be "BDREBUILDER.INI" rather than "BD_REBUILDER.INI".



I'll try it with those settings, though.



My apologies. I had copied from an old installation on another drive.

Here is the real BDREBUILDER.INI:

Code:
[Options]
VERSION=0.40.0.9
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=8032
PRIORITY_CLASS=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;fra;ger;spa;
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=1
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
AUTO_BLANK=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
COMPLETION_BEEP=1
DGDECNV=0
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=E:\BD_REBUILDER WORKFILES\
SOURCE_PATH=X:\
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