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Old 17th December 2016, 11:11   #41561  |  Link
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Main drawback is not being able to run 10 bit output but for many this doesn't do much anyway. Windowed mode is a lot better than it used to be, because of it's usability it's been my preferred output for quite some time.
So basically you're losing pretty much nothing beneficial. Set and forget.
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Old 17th December 2016, 11:30   #41562  |  Link
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Without so much noise or artifacts

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Correct, though some dropped frames, delayed frames, or presentation glitches on startup or after seeking are OK.


I keep asking for help. How to make these images look better? Without so much noise or artifacts? Is there anything I can do with madvr?


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Old 17th December 2016, 11:49   #41563  |  Link
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^^ Jesus, post thumbnails please.

What you're calling noise/artifacts is just film grain. It's supposed to look like that...

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Old 17th December 2016, 11:53   #41564  |  Link
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^^ Jesus, post thumbnails please.

What you're calling noise/artifacts is just film grain. It's supposed to look like that...
Sorry! my mistake!
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Old 17th December 2016, 12:48   #41565  |  Link
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Unless you ticked "add grain" under upscaling refinement. If so, then disable it. If not, then it's just how this particular video is supposed to look.

A lot of movies have heavy film grain, and some people don't like the way it looks. Personally, I love it, if that's the look they were going for.

Moarrr grain.

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Unless you ticked "add grain" under upscaling refinement. If so, then disable it. If not, then it's just how this particular video is supposed to look.
No, it is disabled. I do not use refinements.
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Old 17th December 2016, 14:06   #41567  |  Link
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Unless you ticked "add grain" under upscaling refinement. If so, then disable it. If not, then it's just how this particular video is supposed to look.

A lot of movies have heavy film grain, and some people don't like the way it looks. Personally, I love it, if that's the look they were going for.

Moarrr grain.
It happens to me only with old movies. The tv player (lg smartshare) plays it much better, without so much noise/grain. Looks much better for me.
Some way to eliminate noise/grain without losing quality and definition? I tried denoise shader, but I did not get a good result.
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Old 17th December 2016, 17:50   #41568  |  Link
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It happens to me only with old movies. The tv player (lg smartshare) plays it much better, without so much noise/grain. Looks much better for me.
Some way to eliminate noise/grain without losing quality and definition? I tried denoise shader, but I did not get a good result.
Do you have enhance details on?
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It happens to me only with old movies. The tv player (lg smartshare) plays it much better, without so much noise/grain. Looks much better for me.
Some way to eliminate noise/grain without losing quality and definition? I tried denoise shader, but I did not get a good result.
Most TV's/players nowadays implement something called digital noise removal, which smooth over your image to varying degrees and remove grain, often at the cost of removing detail at the same time.

madvr doesn't currently have anything that removes grain from images. At least not yet. There should be custom scripts out there that do it that may or may not work together with madvr.
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Most TV's/players nowadays implement something called digital noise removal, which smooth over your image to varying degrees and remove grain, often at the cost of removing detail at the same time.

madvr doesn't currently have anything that removes grain from images. At least not yet. There should be custom scripts out there that do it that may or may not work together with madvr.
Ok! Thks
Someone who has a script to share?
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Someone who has a script to share?
Denoising is a difficult problem and I have still not found a good script that can denoise in real time without damaging quality a lot.

Removing strong film grain, as found in older movies, with real time denoisers also removes most of the texture detail making skin and cloth look terrible. There is a reason the remaster left the grain in.

If you like a smoother look and don't mind the loss of texture detail this is one area where the dedicated hardware in modern TVs does a very good job compared to currently available software tools.
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Depends on how advanced the Dedicated Hardware IP is they can totally beat Software, especially in balance terms on Denoising Quality/Performance/Power
Motion Compensated Denoising can be very efficient overall and actually is the most efficient when implemented in Dedicated Hardware there was also a nice new evaluation of it's Performance based on HEVC actually.
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Denoising is a difficult problem and I have still not found a good script that can denoise in real time without damaging quality a lot.

Removing strong film grain, as found in older movies, with real time denoisers also removes most of the texture detail making skin and cloth look terrible. There is a reason the remaster left the grain in.

If you like a smoother look and don't mind the loss of texture detail this is one area where the dedicated hardware in modern TVs does a very good job compared to currently available software tools.
On my tv, when I use 4k 60mhz resolution per hdmi, the noise reduction and mpeg noise reduction are disabled. I do not know why.

The noise reduction by nvidia works only if i choose nvidia cuvid as hardware decoder?

In the panel of nvidia, I always use the options of noise reduction and edge enhancement, by the media player. And Use inverse telecine enabled. It's okay like this? Or should I enable it to do it nvidia?
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Old 17th December 2016, 23:06   #41574  |  Link
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Made some experiments.

When in exclusive mode I get frame drops every 3minutes. However, this is corrected using reclock
When I'm out of FSE no frame drops regardless which audio renderer is being utilized as long as display refresh rate is the same or very close from that of the video's

Why is frame drops happening in FSE even if the refresh rate of the display is the same of that of the video? Is there a setting that can be tweaked. I'll be using a x64 player and reclock is only x86
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Old 17th December 2016, 23:39   #41575  |  Link
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Can we get a force 200% scaling for Jinc in image upscaling?

After about 100 tests I came to the conclusion that anything but Jinc will add a bit of grain to edges while watching anime.

Jinc seems the most rounded, cleanest algorithm, but I want to force a 200% upscaling still using Jinc to get the most out of it. NNEDI and NGU work very well with human and life-like content, but not with anime... At least not in my tests / setup...
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Mpc-hc Internal subtitle render

Loses image quality if I use the internal subtitle rendering of mpc-hc? Which one should I use anyway?
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Loses image quality if I use the internal subtitle rendering of mpc-hc?
No, not at all.
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No, not at all.
And performance?
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Compared to no subtitles? Very little.
Compared to other subtitle renderers? Depends but does not matter mostly. Sometimes on complex ASS scripts can be slower/faster than other renderers. It is usually not worth to use other subtitle renderer.
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Compared to no subtitles? Very little.
Compared to other subtitle renderers? Depends but does not matter mostly. Sometimes on complex ASS scripts can be slower/faster than other renderers. It is usually not worth to use other subtitle renderer.
XYsub seems to do some tricks better than the internal renderer, but no noticeable performance difference so far.

(Especially for Anime and floating text over the image, like translated signs, XySub seems to do things a bit better than the internal renderer. )
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