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16th February 2017, 22:50 | #42542 | Link | |
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17th February 2017, 01:28 | #42544 | Link |
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Still haven't understood the point of the chroma image thing but it doesn't matter.It happens to have ''problem'' with 4:4:4 these days and also I have : change size and text,apps... in 300% and sometimes it does strange things. This image posted earlier explains why you need fit to screen on http://imgur.com/a/XiQta It ''plagues'' everything,from desktop to whatever,not only the player.You also get ''better'' quality image,it removes any scaling.So...1:1 pixel mapping. Just saying,don't answer. @Madshi About the TV resolution thing that you found weird (4096x2160) I found the PROPER TVs e manual that displays supported resolutions and 4096x2160 is there.Including the support of 24hz+ that I asked. Here it is: http://mslib.co/read/3820/eng-us-jza...4.html?page=95 So...windows displays things correctly and all good. I like Madvr more and more for helping maximizing TVs capabilities @To all Is there anything to do to improve playback with 24hz?I get 1 frame repeat every 42 seconds with 23.970 source(still don't know how good or bad that is in practice,checking it these days). 23hz : nope (I don't have) reclock :nope (I'd like to stay 64bit) auto motion plus:nope(I find frame interpolation only good for *orn) Any tweaks or something? Last edited by Damien147; 17th February 2017 at 01:55. |
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"optimal and recommended resolution is 3840 x 2160 at 60 Hz" My 2 LG's also support 4096 but that is not unusual or weird. What would be weird would be if 4096 was the native resolution, but it is not for either the Samsung or the LG. It is 3840 for the LG's and for the Samsung (according to the statement above). That is completely normal. Last edited by jmonier; 17th February 2017 at 02:26. |
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Note, that "PROPER TVs e manual" you linked says the following (2 pages prior): Quote:
It's saying it "supports" 4096x2160 on the page you linked, but that's not the recommended resolution (which would be the native resolution of the panel). Your image: http://imgur.com/a/XiQta is a perfect illustration of what happens when you select 4096x2160, you are sending too many dots to the TV and the TV is simply displaying them 1:1, centres the image and truncating the pixels that "fall off" the screen. Note: DCI 4k is 4096 × 2160. Consumer 4K (UHD-1) is 3840 × 2160. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D...VCD_to_4K).svg See how the above image, the DCI is wider? You are sending that, while your TV's native resolution is 4K UHD. You also need to be careful when you select lower resolutions in windows because video drivers may upscale the image to what it "thinks" is the best. In Nvidia this option is called "Scaling" as seen here: http://i.imgur.com/uzWk2jw.png (edit: The selected options in that image are not optimal for what would be ideal in your scenario) I don't know what the AMD equivalent is. Hope this information helps. Please understand that people are only trying to help you understand a misunderstanding. Last edited by Clammerz; 17th February 2017 at 02:26. |
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The whole point of the conversation was if 4096x2160 existed or not.If it's recommended or whatever comes second. Quote:
4096x2160 is 1.90:1,right?This second picture has a movie playing with 1:86:1.It's expected to have a small bar on the side if everything works fine and as intended.Just watch the OSD. And here is a 4096x2160 movie http://imgur.com/a/CYdYf .Everything works as intended,just check the OSD. Thank you both though. Last edited by Damien147; 17th February 2017 at 03:13. |
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17th February 2017, 03:09 | #42548 | Link | |
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There is no misunderstanding on our part, please understand. Also people aren't disputing the existence of 4096x2160, that is a misunderstanding. People are disputing the native resolution of consumer screens at 4096x2160. They are also not disputing the "support" of 4096x2160, they are disputing the whether that "support" of the resolution is further processed (shrunk) by the display to fit on the native resolution. Which is what is happening in this scenario.
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"Fit to screen" is not "1:1 pixel mapping". That is a very big misunderstanding. From what I can gather there are 2 problems in your setup. The misconception of "fit to screen" and AMD "upscaling" 3840 to 4096. |
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17th February 2017, 03:19 | #42549 | Link | |
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If you aren't concerned with those, then that's fine. But we are saying there's a gap in your knowledge and there is room for subtle improvement by understanding things at a more fundamental level. |
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17th February 2017, 03:46 | #42550 | Link |
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.....just check again what I wrote and the two pictures.About fit to screen in these two pictures and the OSD prove what happens(the off and on thing I mean)Fit to screen disables scaling.
Generally speaking I am a noob but I am not doing any mumbo jumbo here.I am just displaying things with native resolution which I proved that it is 4096x2160 and I don't find any problem anywhere.What is the problem?Black bars in movies?It's expected depending on the aspect ratio.If I put 1.90:1 source there aren't any black bars.I can't see the wrong or the misunderstanding you guys mention.@huhn maybe misunderstood,not me. Last edited by Damien147; 17th February 2017 at 03:53. |
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with my setup it is even "worse". when i select 4096x2160 it will stick to this resolution even when i'm switching back to 3840x2160 it is still sending 4096x2160 but with black bar luck my TV doesn't really care and 4096x2160 is just cropped but this is just dumb. i'm using a 1060. a TV doesn't care what the madVR OSD says it doesn't matter for it. and there is no paint program that can't display that PNG. if the image looks odd on paint your display is creating the artefacts not paint. i'm pretty sure it is the doing of "fit to screen" the specs are very clear it has nothing to do with 1:1 pixel mapping or something else but it is very unlikely that paint is doing it. but the biggest problem is that this is the madVR thread not a "how to setup my display correct help thread". |
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17th February 2017, 04:35 | #42552 | Link |
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http://www.samsung.com/au/tvs/uhd-ku...A55KU6000WXXY/ http://www.samsung.com/us/television...n55ku6300fxza/ "With 3840 x 2160 pixels on our UHD 4K screens, you can experience incredible detail and nuance from Ultra HD Blu-ray™ discs and online movie content" Supported does not equal Native. Last edited by Anleck; 17th February 2017 at 05:14. |
17th February 2017, 05:15 | #42553 | Link |
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Things are *ucked up,look here http://mslib.co/read/3820/eng-us-jza...4.html?page=95 Last example because Hunh is right --->(''but the biggest problem is that this is the madVR thread not a "how to setup my display correct help thread'') I've pictured an 16:9 source. 3840x2160 is 16:9 4096x2160 is 1.90:1 16:9 source is expected to have blacks bars on the side with 4096x2160 screen. Here is the screenshot http://imgur.com/a/Dq1VA As you see there is a black bar behind the OSD.Source is 3840x2160 resolution. EDIT:....and if you see the whole concept of what I posted it proves that fit to screen is 1:1 pixel mapping. Last edited by Damien147; 17th February 2017 at 05:39. |
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and the linked page just shows the supported input resolution by the screen this still has nothing to do with the native resolution. and here a small tutorial for 4.4:4: Quote:
smasung can't be more clear than this: Quote:
you can even change the fit to screen option now it will do nothing because everything fit already. and run the chroma test picture in paint. Last edited by huhn; 17th February 2017 at 05:47. |
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For 4:4:4--->Thanks for the recommendation but I am already like that(UHD color on,pixel format to full RGB,PC mode) .The problem seems to be here with HDMI https://community.amd.com/thread/204227 .Another guy on another forum told me that he sees 4:4:4 with ChromaRes.png in the same TV but with local lan. If I change resolution to 3840x2160 my TV settings doesn't like it.For example I lose some picture modes and the problem is that I lose the one I've set.Generally speaking I don't have a problem to lead me in lowering resolution. |
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17th February 2017, 06:47 | #42556 | Link |
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Damien147 please look at this post and the examples of what the test pattern is supposed to look like.
You need to find the resolution and settings that make your display show 4:4:4. You need to see clearly see the text "4:4:4" to prove that your whole display chain passes 1:1 pixel mapping without chroma subsampling. |
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i know what fit to screen does unlike you. for 4:4:4 chroma you need Quote:
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do you even want 1:1 pixel mapping on this 100% 3840x2160 screen? do you even want 4:4:4? and you you know why you are losing some picture modes... because it is entering PC mode. |
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direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
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