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Old 28th April 2017, 12:28   #1861  |  Link
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If you are interested in 4K HDR, then AMD RX 550 is an alternative choice as it in the same price range with GT 1030 and has 4GB VRAM option for sure.

Also, it is available worldwide as we speak.
Is the situation of VP9 hardware decoder improved by AMD RX cards ?
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Old 28th April 2017, 12:32   #1862  |  Link
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VP9 is not hardware accelerated by AMD cards in pure mode, only hybrid and only in YouTube.

But, there is no VP9 usage outside YouTube so I don't think it's a major issue.
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Old 30th April 2017, 06:38   #1863  |  Link
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Nvidia and Netflix just added another reason to avoid 1050 and <4GB VRAM cards.

In the preview support of Netflix 4K streaming service, besides some weird requirements like Windows Insider OS (!) they added a restriction of at least 3GB VRAM.

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In any case, for the moment NVIDIA is calling this a preview, presumably due to the Insider OS requirements.
Despite this qualifier, 4K Netflix support should fully work on all Pascal GPUs with 3GB or more of VRAM, though this means that 2GB GTX 1050 cards are oddly excluded.
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It seems that you can manually install 381.74 drivers from Nvidia on Win 10 Creators Update and do the trick.
You don't actually need Windows Insider.
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Old 30th April 2017, 11:06   #1864  |  Link
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is this about an Netflix application or web browser?

because 4K youtube with 2GB Vram is totally fine but a proper video player will need quite a lot of Vram and 2 GB can make a huge problem.

like before if you want 4K video playback get a card with at least 3 GB Vram better 4.
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Off-topic, I wanna buy a 4K(5K/8K) HDR monitor, any good choices?
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Old 30th April 2017, 16:37   #1866  |  Link
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the number of HDR monitors is close to zero.
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Old 30th April 2017, 21:28   #1867  |  Link
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Off-topic, I wanna buy a 4K(5K/8K) HDR monitor, any good choices?
Acer Predator X27 is coming out later this year, 4K, 144Hz, HDR, AdobeRGB and NVIDIA GSYNC. Probably quite expensive.
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Eizo and dell just announce their s, but you may as well just buy a tv for any entertainment related experience.
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Old 7th May 2017, 05:42   #1869  |  Link
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is this about an Netflix application or web browser?

because 4K youtube with 2GB Vram is totally fine but a proper video player will need quite a lot of Vram and 2 GB can make a huge problem.

like before if you want 4K video playback get a card with at least 3 GB Vram better 4.
And what's about memory bandwidth 128-bits (RX550) vs 64-bits (GT1030), does that have impact on fps assuming these cards have 4GB vram ?
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i don't know sorry.
if it is 64 bit with GDDR5 it is maybe fast enough but i don't believe in a 1030 with 4Gb Vram there is no 1050 with 4 GB on the market right now.
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Old 18th May 2017, 15:50   #1871  |  Link
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GeForce 1030 is official: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desk...specifications

Will be interesting to see if the 2 GB of RAM and/or limited bandwidth are a limitation with video outside of madVR, because 30W TDP is interesting.
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With a very simple renderer like EVR its probably going to be fine.
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GeForce 1030 is official: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desk...specifications

Will be interesting to see if the 2 GB of RAM and/or limited bandwidth are a limitation with video outside of madVR, because 30W TDP is interesting.
It's a huge shame there isn't a 3GB version that works with netflix in 4k. Spec's wise, it's exactly half a 1050Ti and sells for half a 1050Ti, I think it could probably do 1080p23 > 2160p with NGU low in MADVR
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The main issue with those kind of cards, like GT 1030 and plain GTX 1050, is that there is no 4GB version.

Due to 2GB VRAM only, those cards could definitely have problems displaying the 4K resolution.

On the other hand, a much more capable GPU like AMD RX 550 has more 3D power, 4GB VRAM, costing around the same price like GT 1030 with a very low TDP too.
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polaris cards are very slow for NGU so a 550 is most likely slower than a 1030 for NGU and ignoring Vram.
the pathetic 48 GB/s could be a real problem.

to be honest the 1030 looks terrible.
TDP is not that important i wouldn't be shocked if a 1050 has the same power consumption when playing back videos.

about 4K playback with 2GB Vram using EVR-CP this was fine with DXVA copyback and unplayable with DXVA native using a 2GB 960. Vram was at his limited.
a lot has changed since a used that card.
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RX 550 has 512 cores and 128bit memory bus.

It should be faster than GT 1030 in all processing cases.
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A 4GB RX550 is around ~30€ more expensive around here though, which at that level is almost 30%. But yeah the 1030 is not something I would ever buy or recommend to anyone in any case.
For another 20-30€ over the RX550 (ie. starting at ~135€), you can get a 4GB 1050Ti already, which is probably as low as I would go.
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It's a huge shame there isn't a 3GB version that works with netflix in 4k. Spec's wise, it's exactly half a 1050Ti and sells for half a 1050Ti, I think it could probably do 1080p23 > 2160p with NGU low in MADVR
Maybe they'll update the drivers to make the lower-end cards compatible with Netflix later?
My 1050 Ti when decoding YouTube 4K60 in Chrome and outputting 1080 doesn't even use 500 MB (and this includes around 200 MB for Windows and the browser). When outputting actual 4K that might go up a few 100s MB, but I don't see why just the DRM support would need more than 1 GB for itself and the whole couldn't run on 2 GB.
Has someone already tested Netflix 4K using the Insider Preview NVIDIA driver and measured how much VRAM is actually used?

@NikosD: the RX 550 is indeed a better all-round card (though I doubt it beats a 1030 in pure shader power by much, only the memory is much faster), but the 4 GB ones start around 100 USD. We'll have to see how low the OEMs can price their GF 1030s.
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that's why: https://abload.de/img/thatswhyo1uge.png (EVR-CP)

and yes webbrowser video player use a lot less Vram and there is a reason picture quality is pathetic...
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that's why: https://abload.de/img/thatswhyo1uge.png (EVR-CP)

and yes webbrowser video player use a lot less Vram and there is a reason picture quality is pathetic...
Yes, I remember that from your tests.
"pathetic" is pushing it a bit, don't you think?

Anyway there is no way to play Netflix using MPC-HC , I was just wondering if 2 GB would be fine with the Netflix app or in the browser but I can't find any public test results yet. I guess the fact the driver is still in beta explains it.
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