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13th December 2016, 22:40 | #41461 | Link | ||
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Super-xbr 150AR vs NGU very high Since that Samara clip has been used a bit, I'll show a shot from that too. Super-xbr 150AR vs NGU very high Quote:
From Kubo. NGU very high vs NGU very high SuperRes 4 From Samara. NGU very high vs NGU very high SuperRes 4 Last edited by ryrynz; 13th December 2016 at 22:45. |
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13th December 2016, 23:21 | #41462 | Link |
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For some reason if I leave MPC-HC/madVR paused and the mouse/keyboard inactive long enough then either the gfx card or motherboard makes a long beep sound and reboots. The screen is set to turn off after 3 mins, a couple mins after this I hear the beep and it reboots.
OS: Windows 10 x64 Card: 670 GTX Driver: 376.09 MPC-HC: x64, 11/7 LAV Filters Internal Audio Renderer D3D9 overlay chroma > NGU-high luma > NGU-high < Bicubic150 AR chroma > Bicubic60 AR |
13th December 2016, 23:42 | #41464 | Link |
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@madshi,
Check out this post by a new user using the new image doubling menus. It is revealing what someone with basic knowledge and a good graphics card would do in these menus. Note the choices he made (set everything on high) and what he didn't understand (downscaling after doubling and supersampling). http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?...009#pid2478009 Maybe downscaling after doubling could be called reduce overshoot of target resolution with image downscaling.
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HOW TO - Set up madVR for Kodi DSPlayer & External Media Players Last edited by Warner306; 13th December 2016 at 23:46. |
14th December 2016, 01:04 | #41465 | Link |
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if they would understand that 2x scaling can created images bigger than the target they would understand downscaling too.
in my eyes a menu that is very easy to understand is impossible and a waste of time. there is no way to make the concept of YCbCr understandable on a setting page. |
14th December 2016, 01:29 | #41466 | Link | |
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Edit: Double wow. Actually having MadVR read out: "No frame drops/repeats expected" on some files now. Never saw that before. Last edited by Sean; 14th December 2016 at 01:49. |
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14th December 2016, 01:54 | #41467 | Link |
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The UI could be easier to understand to everyone if it was logical.
For instance, there should be only 2 main pages under "scaling algorithms", organized like this : |-image upscaling | |-luma | |-chroma | |-image doubling [high quality] | |-upscaling refinement |-image downscaling or |-image upscaling | |-luma (with an image doubling section or individual tab) | |-chroma (with an image doubling section or individual tab) | |-upscaling refinement |-image downscaling For the image doubling algorithms, only 2 choices for upscaling/downscaling after doubling : "let madVR decide" and "use the luma upscaling/downscaling settings". New users could select "let madVR decide" for everything (as madshi wants) and advanced users could pick exactly the right algorithm for their taste and configuration. The new UI with redundant choices and algorithms in drop-down lists is confusing and limited. The old UI just needed some little adjustments in my opinion. I'm sure that madshi will figure out somehow how to elegantly organize all this. Edit : Just throwing out some ideas, peace. Last edited by Neo-XP; 14th December 2016 at 02:14. |
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14th December 2016, 02:22 | #41469 | Link | |
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I did notice that it still seems to render frames when paused, when you pause the player it should pause the rendering and have zero cpu and gpu use from the player. |
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My 3c on the UI (I stayed on the v0.91.1 version for now as I was scared of losing the fastest doubler (s-xbr for me)+control - so haven't seen the new).
There are 2 main use cases: (1) Upscaling And then the progression is:These a-c could be on tabs going horizontally. For the doubling, I feel a system where there is a blank array initially and the user can add items in corresponding to doubling instructions would be easier to use. Each entry: trigger scaling factor, algorithm, (any modifers) A modifier could be the s-xbr sharpness and bloating, or NNEDI32 neurons or NGU quality level. So 2 entries would give the user quadrupling. Final sizing would be similar to the 0.91.1 image upscaling but yeah, it could just use drop downs instead. In fact, this could be a mandatory line on the array - with a final resize trigger, and for that one the user can choose from the much wider array of scalers and options. For chroma, maybe duplicate that? The interesting thing here is, should the first chroma item be the initial chroma doubling? And then the final resize - could be anything, making it independent to the luma... don't know if its a good thing. Another option is to combine the two - if user specifies a luma doubler they have to choose whether to double chroma or not at the same time. But then we'll need a separate initial chroma doubling option. (2) Downscaling Just the "final" scalers. This makes more sense as the downscaling tab in the upscaling section only applies when supersampling, and you can have a different downscaler for when final size is <1.0. I'm not sure this is where people/madshi want it to go - because it preserves the customisability of the old system and just improves the "flow". If simplification is required then options would have to go. And I don't mean options as in algos - I mean things like - the ability to tailor that you want NGU-high for the first double and then NGU-low for the quadruple step. For example, a user could specify they want doubling, then input a supersampling ratio (1.0 for no supersampling or 2.0 to go to double the screen res) then just choose 1 option like NGU-med and that is applied for all doubling steps that brings it to (or over) the 2.0 ratio. Not sure what to do about presets and such - I like the simple scripting system. Maybe a link to an external guide will do rather than baking in presets. Otherwise, somewhere there could be a Fastest, Balanced and Quality. Or 5 options if preferred. These would just pre-populate the above settings dialogs -> allowing scripts to still run. The tricky bit is, like in my situation, when I have a high frame rate video I'll drop to lower power scaling algorithms, but also change the dithering method etc. Gets tricky. Probably not worth it yet? Sorry, I should have probably installed the latest ver to take a look. Hope there is something useful in my rambling. |
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dont know if plasma motion with PWM works better with super res than it does with LCDs sample and hold. on screenshots comparisions there is NO difference at all but it is when the movie is running. with NGU high and SuperRes 4 here picture looks more high res and less messy as i have described. SuperRes must do something to smooth the frames together in motion as its only there there is a difference. maybe madshi can confirm whenever superes for chroma upscaling does something to the image in motion or not? Last edited by Patrik G; 14th December 2016 at 12:52. |
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14th December 2016, 12:53 | #41479 | Link |
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Hi,
I'm a problem about the video quality when using a video projector. I set up MadVr using Warner306 recommandations available here With my 60" 4K TV, the video quality is awesome. When using the same configuration on a 4K video projector (3,5m so 138"), image is not so detailed/sharp and a simple BD player offer a better quality. What is the problem ? Regards |
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direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
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