madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 2981

tp4tissue · 18th May 2020, 13:24

What is your most revent RAW behavior. Have you played with the gamma setting to get close to the 2.2 flat line.

What huhn means is, if you change your system's color temperature to warm or something closer to 6500k, then the internal CMS will be in less conflict with the software correction later, this leads to better final outcome and prevents things like posterization which can crop up.

madjock · 18th May 2020, 13:33

Well the corrected was pretty good and set at 2.4 last time, RAW I never looked but even if I did, what can I adjust, I get good black and white scale now I am at Limited for the GPU.

I don't really have anything else to tweak TV wise, as this does not have ISF and is pretty basic adjustment wise.

https://filebin.net/v2s9754t43upcpvj

tp4tissue · 18th May 2020, 14:19

So monitor mode doesn't work in 444 0-255 ? does it impact the tone curve ?

madjock · 18th May 2020, 15:42

No you just lose a lot of picture options and when in Full on GPU you lose all the Black/White same as in Game mode. I even tried changing the input to PC, but no dice.

When you do the split screen option to show the LUT working and not used, which side is the LUT ?

https://imgur.com/a/ytODbsB

tp4tissue · 19th May 2020, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by madjock

No you just lose a lot of picture options and when in Full on GPU you lose all the Black/White same as in Game mode. I even tried changing the input to PC, but no dice.

When you do the split screen option to show the LUT working and not used, which side is the LUT ?

https://imgur.com/a/ytODbsB

there's a button to toggle lut on and off.

Also if you want more color, create a "preserve saturation" or "saturation" Lut, you might like it for certain movies.

huhn · 19th May 2020, 17:13

your gamma is to high should be the right side which looks like less CR.

madjock · 19th May 2020, 18:56

Well I set it to 2.4 in the 3D LUT creation, I have it as high as I can on my set ? and High I mean 2.4 at a guess as it does not tell you, but obviously gets darker the higher the value from 0-4. Its at 4.

This goes back to me saying it looked washed out, but that was where we went with Limited, so not sure what do do now ?

huhn · 19th May 2020, 21:12

your screen results in something like 3+ in the lower parts there was a ~3.8 in a measurement utterly bad results. if you fix that the image looks way less punchy but that's just correct. it was overcooked to an unseen level i have never experienced.

your measurement report is correct now you have nothing todo.
you don't loss CR anymore your screen stays at is ~4.1 k CR.

Asmodian · 19th May 2020, 22:39

I agree with tp4tissue, testing the preserve saturation intent is a good idea if you want pop more than accuracy. I had some displays that looked better using saturation instead of perceptual or relative colorimetric. It does make it look less washed out.

You don't even need to remeasure anything, simply create a new 3DLUT based on your current profile.

tp4tissue · 19th May 2020, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodian

I agree with tp4tissue, testing the preserve saturation intent is a good idea if you want pop more than accuracy. I had some displays that looked better using saturation instead of perceptual or relative colorimetric. It does make it look less washed out.

You don't even need to remeasure anything, simply create a new 3DLUT based on your current profile.

I've watched alot of movies on pre-sat and sat, they're almost all OK, the only time where it really over-corrects is when you have some african-american skin types that are naturally red, the lut then pushes them a bit too red. Other than that, you'd be hard pressed to find a problem with a little increase in blue and green. The lut does the expansion quite evenly.

tp4tissue · 19th May 2020, 23:24

@ madjock, it's like you've woken up from the Matrix, you can't go back now. you've gleaned right from wrong. In the case of your Tv's natural response SUPER WRONG.

If you're looking for more-Depth on SDR movies.

What you can do is create a Lut for ~60-80nits. This will give you significantly more Dark Tones to work with.

You'd watch it in near darkness.

@ 300 nits, your tv will have ~0.07 nit black, @ 60nit, 0.015nits

Or you can buy OLED, but burnins.

bendak · 19th May 2020, 23:34

I am having some trouble applying settings to one of my displays. It will show up in the madVR device list, but madVR never applies any of the device settings to it. You know how whatever display is actively playing a video will turn bold in the device list? My main display does this fine, but my secondary display (LG B8) will not go bold. This means I can't use refresh rate switching, change output levels/bit depth, adjust any HDR settings, etc. I presume it is just using the madVR defaults because any changes I make to it have no effect. I've tried clearing my settings to default (when I do this, it properly adds the LG back to the device list but no settings I change have an impact).

Anyone have any ideas how to troubleshoot this? Searching this thread I found 1 other person with a similar issue (back in 2016) but there were never any responses.

I am using windows 10, latest nvidia drivers (2080ti). I also tried going back to a few different older drivers. I have tried the latest official madVR release as well as the most recent test build (113), clearing settings every time I switched.

lazostat · 20th May 2020, 23:25

Today i saw a movie on my TV connected via HDMI with pc and on some panning scenes it was juddering.. But on pc monitor i can't see it.. Why? The resolution is the same (1080p). Maybe the bigger the screen, the more cpu uses? I have gtx 2070s and ryzen 3600.

I have unchecked all options in the trade quality for performance tab and also enabled artifact removal options. But i guess my CPU-GPU can handle these settings.

Asmodian · 20th May 2020, 23:37

Screen size does not need more CPU, that is dependent on resolution not physical size.

Same refresh rate on both screen? Constant stutter during the pan or one judder every few seconds or less?

70MM · 21st May 2020, 07:37

Can someone please explain why my films that are 25fps dont play at 24fps as I have the box ticked on madvr for 24 and 25fps films to all play at 24. I use video clock in JRiver.
23 and 24 films all play at 24 but the 25 films change resolution to 50.

madjock · 21st May 2020, 10:39

Remove any 50 FPS modes from madVR ?

lazostat · 21st May 2020, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodian

Screen size does not need more CPU, that is dependent on resolution not physical size.

Same refresh rate on both screen? Constant stutter during the pan or one judder every few seconds or less?

Refresh rate doesn't matter cause i don't have duplicate screen, but display only on TV, when i watch movies. It automatically switch to movie's fps. Only on 1,2 scenes the happenned, not everytime. They were slow panning scenes. But when i played again the movie i didn't notice the lag. Strange?

jkauff · 21st May 2020, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by madjock

Remove any 50 FPS modes from madVR ?

Some players have refresh-rate matching capabilities. Make sure that feature is turned OFF so that madVR has full control.

70MM · 21st May 2020, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by madjock

Remove any 50 FPS modes from madVR ?

when I turn off 2160p50, it plays the 25fps file at 2160p60

70MM · 21st May 2020, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkauff

Some players have refresh-rate matching capabilities. Make sure that feature is turned OFF so that madVR has full control.

I have JRiver player refresh rate turned off.

18th May 2020, 13:24	#59601 \| Link
tp4tissue Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 712	What is your most revent RAW behavior. Have you played with the gamma setting to get close to the 2.2 flat line. What huhn means is, if you change your system's color temperature to warm or something closer to 6500k, then the internal CMS will be in less conflict with the software correction later, this leads to better final outcome and prevents things like posterization which can crop up. __________________ Ghetto \| 2500k 5Ghz Last edited by tp4tissue; 18th May 2020 at 13:27.

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madjock Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 259	Well the corrected was pretty good and set at 2.4 last time, RAW I never looked but even if I did, what can I adjust, I get good black and white scale now I am at Limited for the GPU. I don't really have anything else to tweak TV wise, as this does not have ISF and is pretty basic adjustment wise. https://filebin.net/v2s9754t43upcpvj __________________ Windows 10-1909 \| i5-3570k \| GTX 1070 Windforce OC Rev2 8GB : 430.64 \| Pioneer VSX-534 \| Philips 65PUS6703 - 65"

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tp4tissue Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 712	So monitor mode doesn't work in 444 0-255 ? does it impact the tone curve ? __________________ Ghetto \| 2500k 5Ghz

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madjock Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 259	No you just lose a lot of picture options and when in Full on GPU you lose all the Black/White same as in Game mode. I even tried changing the input to PC, but no dice. When you do the split screen option to show the LUT working and not used, which side is the LUT ? https://imgur.com/a/ytODbsB __________________ Windows 10-1909 \| i5-3570k \| GTX 1070 Windforce OC Rev2 8GB : 430.64 \| Pioneer VSX-534 \| Philips 65PUS6703 - 65" Last edited by madjock; 19th May 2020 at 08:32.

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madjock Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 259	Well I set it to 2.4 in the 3D LUT creation, I have it as high as I can on my set ? and High I mean 2.4 at a guess as it does not tell you, but obviously gets darker the higher the value from 0-4. Its at 4. This goes back to me saying it looked washed out, but that was where we went with Limited, so not sure what do do now ? __________________ Windows 10-1909 \| i5-3570k \| GTX 1070 Windforce OC Rev2 8GB : 430.64 \| Pioneer VSX-534 \| Philips 65PUS6703 - 65"

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	your gamma is to high should be the right side which looks like less CR.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	your screen results in something like 3+ in the lower parts there was a ~3.8 in a measurement utterly bad results. if you fix that the image looks way less punchy but that's just correct. it was overcooked to an unseen level i have never experienced. your measurement report is correct now you have nothing todo. you don't loss CR anymore your screen stays at is ~4.1 k CR.

19th May 2020, 22:39	#59609 \| Link
Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	I agree with tp4tissue, testing the preserve saturation intent is a good idea if you want pop more than accuracy. I had some displays that looked better using saturation instead of perceptual or relative colorimetric. It does make it look less washed out. You don't even need to remeasure anything, simply create a new 3DLUT based on your current profile. __________________ madVR options explained

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tp4tissue Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 712	@ madjock, it's like you've woken up from the Matrix, you can't go back now. you've gleaned right from wrong. In the case of your Tv's natural response SUPER WRONG. If you're looking for more-Depth on SDR movies. What you can do is create a Lut for ~60-80nits. This will give you significantly more Dark Tones to work with. You'd watch it in near darkness. @ 300 nits, your tv will have ~0.07 nit black, @ 60nit, 0.015nits Or you can buy OLED, but burnins. __________________ Ghetto \| 2500k 5Ghz Last edited by tp4tissue; 19th May 2020 at 23:27.

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bendak Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1	I am having some trouble applying settings to one of my displays. It will show up in the madVR device list, but madVR never applies any of the device settings to it. You know how whatever display is actively playing a video will turn bold in the device list? My main display does this fine, but my secondary display (LG B8) will not go bold. This means I can't use refresh rate switching, change output levels/bit depth, adjust any HDR settings, etc. I presume it is just using the madVR defaults because any changes I make to it have no effect. I've tried clearing my settings to default (when I do this, it properly adds the LG back to the device list but no settings I change have an impact). Anyone have any ideas how to troubleshoot this? Searching this thread I found 1 other person with a similar issue (back in 2016) but there were never any responses. I am using windows 10, latest nvidia drivers (2080ti). I also tried going back to a few different older drivers. I have tried the latest official madVR release as well as the most recent test build (113), clearing settings every time I switched.

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lazostat Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 21	Today i saw a movie on my TV connected via HDMI with pc and on some panning scenes it was juddering.. But on pc monitor i can't see it.. Why? The resolution is the same (1080p). Maybe the bigger the screen, the more cpu uses? I have gtx 2070s and ryzen 3600. I have unchecked all options in the trade quality for performance tab and also enabled artifact removal options. But i guess my CPU-GPU can handle these settings. Last edited by lazostat; 20th May 2020 at 23:31.

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	Screen size does not need more CPU, that is dependent on resolution not physical size. Same refresh rate on both screen? Constant stutter during the pan or one judder every few seconds or less? __________________ madVR options explained

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70MM X Cinema Projectionist NZ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland NZ Posts: 310	Can someone please explain why my films that are 25fps dont play at 24fps as I have the box ticked on madvr for 24 and 25fps films to all play at 24. I use video clock in JRiver. 23 and 24 films all play at 24 but the 25 films change resolution to 50.

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madjock Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 259	Remove any 50 FPS modes from madVR ? __________________ Windows 10-1909 \| i5-3570k \| GTX 1070 Windforce OC Rev2 8GB : 430.64 \| Pioneer VSX-534 \| Philips 65PUS6703 - 65"