madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[huhn]

if this verification is for your 3D LUT then this is accurate.

but if it changes so much that pretty much means your device is setup very inaccurate which may make creating a 3D LUT hard.

but what so ever i highly recommend you to create a gamma 2.4 3D LUT for SDR sources.
and feel free to make a screen with control+alt+shift+3 and a colorful scene.

what so ever this 3D LUT show you the creators intent.

[tp4tissue]

Other than the 2.2 gamma, which should be 2.4 for sdr content, the measurement looks fairly on target.

Disable Calibration in madvr, Set up the dispcal verification screen as follows, and run that and post. We need to take a look at your screen's native behavior.

https://imgur.com/a/oTy51ld

Use the Default madvr profile drop down from at top. then input the settings exactly.

[madjock]

The settings page you put up is unreadable for any inputs to change ?

edit :nvm used an image app to lighten numbers


Here you go...

https://gofile.io/d/RR6OmU

This does not look so good.

[tp4tissue]

Holy freakn' crap.. Hahahahahha..

If that's what you've been looking at, no wonder you think right = wrong. You need a COMPLETE overhaul

First thing, It's EITHER a levels mismatch, as in your TV is expecting 16-235, and receiving 0-255, OR it just natively has a really borked tone curve.
I'm reasonably sure it's the FORMER. Since that measured tonecurve shape is the common consequence.

Set Picture Style to Monitor

Also this is an exerpt from your manual , you need to fix this part first. It looks like you have to set it to -Optimal- on either hdmi 2 or hdmi 3 port

https://imgur.com/a/eNmZwok

You're going to set gamma to 2.2 gamma on the TV. The SDR LUT will take care of conversion to 2.4 later.

Turn off all post-processing settings like picture clean, etc. dynamic contrast.

Then go to the 1070 , and you should set to rgb full 444 3840x2160

THEN UNPLUG the HDMI from the GPU, then plug it back in, and check that everythign sticks. NVidia does wonky things sometimes when you change settings, Don't reboot, reboot doesn't work the same as unplugging.

[oldpainlesskodi]

I think you'll find the Philips panels are limited range (mine is, so is use limited - full - panel (there is no option to change the TV range)).

[huhn]

on Philips using PC mode usually results in full range.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by oldpainlesskodi

I think you'll find the Philips panels are limited range (mine is, so is use limited - full - panel (there is no option to change the TV range)).

PC mode should help with that no ?

On many newer sets, the PC mode makes an exception for 0-255 when other modes lock to 16-235.

Either way, he has a colorimeter, he can measure and know for sure.

@ madjock, in your case, it's monitor mode in the picture style setting.

I'm actually more surprised madjock was watching that this entire time thinking nothing was wrong, kekekeke...

Here is a reference for what the TV's native tuning should approximate Before any software correction is done. This is my TV using only the 11point gamma. I watch movies @ 60 nits in the dark.

https://imgur.com/a/g9Mxt5K

[oldpainlesskodi]

There is no PC mode on my Phillips panel. There is a monitor mode, but that just switches off any/most processing. From what I have read, and experienced, my Phillips, at least, is always fixed at limited range.

If there is something I have missed, I'd be grateful for any additional insight...

[huhn]

it pretty normal that most if not all processing is disabled in PC mode or call it monitor mode. i'm only aware of 1 brand that doesn't disable the majority of feature in PC mode.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by oldpainlesskodi

There is no PC mode on my Phillips panel. There is a monitor mode, but that just switches off any/most processing. From what I have read, and experienced, my Phillips, at least, is always fixed at limited range.

If there is something I have missed, I'd be grateful for any additional insight...

Did you measure it or used a test pattern ?

[oldpainlesskodi]

I agree, but It's still limited range - checked and triple checked with test files and changing the levels in Madvr.

[oldpainlesskodi]

As above, test files etc

[huhn]

set the GPU to full range load this page: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
and tell me what you see.

[oldpainlesskodi]

In chrome only upto 20 is visible (the whole of the bottom row is visible) so it's being clipped.

[huhn]

if you did test this in both monitor and normal mode yes limited range.

[oldpainlesskodi]

Yep, tested in both.

I knew this before I decided to buy. I now have it properly configured. For the money, I rate this panel (and IMHO, it is certainly a step up from the Samsung KS8000 for SDR).

[madjock]

So how do I want to set things up if it is limited for all the chain ?

[huhn]

if you use the device outside madVR you set madVR to full range and the GPU to limited.

if you only care about madVR and the rest can be clipped you can use the madVR limited GPU full version.
do your self a favour and just use GPU limited.

[oldpainlesskodi]

Madvr limited (although sometimes get a bug in madvr where it will still output full range, so I use custom 15.5 - 235...yes, I know it should be 16 in theory), and GPU full, then run some test files to adjust TV settings to your preferences.

As far as using calibration measurements etc, the other guys can help there.

EDIT - see, ask a question, and get two different answers lol. Each to their own.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by madjock

So how do I want to set things up if it is limited for all the chain ?

I find it hard to believe they would bother with a PC Monitor mode and not support 0-255.

As I said in the post on the previous page, DO those settings i mentioned, Unplug hdmi and replug, don't reboot. reboot does nothing.