madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[*MidnightWatcher*]

He's well aware, and it's not entirely up to him I'm sure.

[videoh]

Originally Posted by *MidnightWatcher*

He's well aware, and it's not entirely up to him I'm sure.

Who is it up to?

[SamuriHL]

He has business partners that he has to answer to now.

[Stereodude]

So are these new Ampere based Nvidia RTX cards going to be absolute monsters for MadVR? The new $500 RTX 3070 has ~50% more TFLOPs than even a RTX 2080Ti (20.4 vs. 13.4). The $1500 RTX 3090 has 35.7 TFLOPs! 2.66x as much as the former king (RTX 2080Ti).

[chros]

And just imagine that they haven't started to sell the Envy officially with the old, already depricated (!) GPUs!

[SamuriHL]

I'm banking on the 3080 being an absolute monster for madvr, yes. I was considering the 3090 but I don't think the price/performance curve is quite there given how fast the 3080 is and the price. 699 50% over the 2080ti is insane. And I'm on board with that.

[Stereodude]

I think moving to a RTX 3070 from a GTX 1080 will be a nice upgrade for me in my HTPC. More than 2x as many TFLOPs.

Though getting another 50% TFLOPs performance boost from the 3070 for another $200 is tempting too.

[NoTechi]

Since 3D is important to me without having to deal with some outdated drivers and I am currently very satisfied with my RX 5700 XT, my next upgrade, if any, will be with AMD Big Navi, as my current configuration is already more than enough for my use case (madvr for 1080p, 4k movies and 1080p 50Hz live TV upscaled to 4k).

NoTechi

[chros]

Yes, AMD cards will be also interesting to wait for, hopefully they'll drop the nvidia prices

[Siso]

Originally Posted by chros

Yes, AMD cards will be also interesting to wait for, hopefully they'll drop the nvidia prices

I wouldn't count on that

[SamuriHL]

I wouldn't, either. nVidia planned this out VERY carefully. If AMD manages to whack the 3080, nVidia will immediately release a 3080ti with slightly higher clock speed and 20gb of ram for 999. AMD is screwed this time around I'm afraid.

[huhn]

you don't know what the AMD card will be able to do.

consoles have about 12 TF @ 52 CU a 5700XT has 10-13 TFlops @ 40 CU. so without massive IPS gains that's it.

i complained hard about the 2000 series pricing and that you get similar performance for the price as with the old generation which was terrible... that doesn't seem to be the case this time not at all so we are final back to competition without competition.

madshi "fixed" 3D for new driver many month ago he simply never released the build.

[SamuriHL]

You're right, I don't know what AMD will be able to do. But I have SERIOUS doubts they're going to beat the 3090. And if they don't, if they only beat the 3080, then nVidia is going to come back with a 3080ti with 20 gigs of ram for a grand and call it good. So, we'll see if AMD can pull a rabbit out of its, uh, hat but I have my doubts. Historically, it doesn't bode well for them.

[Asmodian]

I would not have believed the 3090 as announced if I heard it as a rumor. It is close to the rumors but doubling up the fp32 is pretty surprising. It also looks great for madVR, but honestly my 2080 Ti is already sufficient for basically anything I want to do. I suppose the 3090 will be useful for HQ deblocking of 4K YouTube streams. I wonder what clocks can be sustained after a shunt mod + water cooling.

I would need a lot more info about AMD's next big GPU to get hyped but a monster GPU from AMD is definitely possible. However, AMD releasing something crazier than a 3090 within the next year would be really surprising.

[SamuriHL]

Oh I'm not suggesting it's impossible, but, let's face facts. AMD has been playing catch up for quite some time and nVidia went balls out on this one. If this was a little speed bump over 2080ti I definitely agree they could have caught and surpassed them. But you see what that 3090 looks like. I just don't see any realistic way they can beat that. The 3080? Maybe. I'm not counting them out on that one. But nVidia knocked this one out of the park.

[huhn]

they don't have to beat the 3090.
they only need to release a card that works (GG at this point) and is cheaper then the nvidia cards by a "huge" margin.

you don't need the biggest best card you need the best performance for the buck the market share of the 2080 ti is tiny compared to the 2060.

and that's the problem AMD is only even with a huge processing advantage to the 2000 series. now they need to beat the 3000 series with there old 7 nm process that wasn't able to "beat" 2000. that really unlikely. they need either huge IPC gains or huge dies so silicon price. is TSMC cheaper then Samsung. it's complicated. what ever it's worth Samsung 8 nm seems to be pretty "bad" in terms of clock rate the 3000 looks great even with these "low" clock rates so yeah whatever.

beware our current knowable about the 3000 series and it's FP32 performance is based on the fact that one core can do 2 FP32 operation instead of 1 like turing. proper testing is need to see if this works as advertised and doesn't behave like "hyperthreading" or more like bullldozer.

[SamuriHL]

Yes, it'll be nice to see the reviews. And I didn't suggest AMD NEEDED to beat 3090. I'm simply saying that if they don't, nVidia has more levers they can pull to beat them down. Including price points. They're already better than last gen, but, I suspect that if AMD came in with something comparable at 100 bucks cheaper, nVidia would respond one way or another. Who wins in that scenario? Come on, I know you get this. I PRAY AMD is successful!

[ryrynz]

A lot of people will be able to pick up some great 20 and 10 series cards for excellent madVR performance with the 30 series release.. A big win for everyone here really.

Originally Posted by huhn

that doesn't seem to be the case this time not at all so we are final back to competition without competition.

Pioneering raytracing and tensor tech the obvious reasons, now it's just evolutions of what's already been established now and all helped by 7nm shrink too.

Originally Posted by chros

Yes, AMD cards will be also interesting to wait for, hopefully they'll drop the nvidia prices

With the performance increase offered this time round the entire stack has to drop prices considerably, I doubt AMD can offer anything really to decrease prices further at any price point.

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

If AMD manages to whack the 3080

LOL, not even next year.. They're a full gen and a half behind.

[huhn]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Pioneering raytracing and tensor tech the obvious reasons, now it's just evolutions of what's already been established now and all helped by 7nm shrink too.

which is barely used... with pathtracing results of sub 60 FPS no wonder.

BTW. they use a nearly for sure inferior 10nm samsung optimised for nvidia named 8nm not the TSMC 7nm.
but if this is what keeps prices down then please keep doing that.

the cores have been massive changed again there is no word about int 32 so it's still rumoured that the INT 32 cores can be re purpose as FP32 cores as you pleases.

tensor cores where already "old" with turing.

[RXP]

I'm always interested in reducing power consumption. Is it right to think that the new range of cards will be able to run identical settings on at lower power consumption?