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Old 21st July 2017, 13:22   #44381  |  Link
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Hey, ok I understand how to enable HDR.

but performance question.

When watching in Exclusive Full Screen my rendering time MS is very high
Windowed mode works fine.

If I'm using 4K resolution + HDR or without HDR for that matter.

What should I lower so I can watch movies properly ? I watch usually movies and series 1080P and 720P MKV , now I use

Chroma Upscaling NGU AntiAlias- Very High quality
Image Downscaling Jin - Scale in linear light On , activate anti-ringing filter - relax On
Image Upscaling NGU Anti-Alias - Luma doubling Very High all the rest is let madVR decide

which options can I change without affecting the quality of the picture ?

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Old 21st July 2017, 13:25   #44382  |  Link
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Drop back those NGU AA settings.. easy. Did you really need to ask? Is madVR really that hard to configure? =/
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Old 21st July 2017, 13:28   #44383  |  Link
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Drop back those NGU AA settings.. easy. Did you really need to ask? Is madVR really that hard to configure? =/
I know, I just lowered in the upscaling in dobling . luma doubling to High or Medium. that fixed it.

It's not hard, but I just ask a simple question , you saw how simple was that. Why getting mad ? it's a forum , there are many options , there are many issues. didn't you ever asked a question and you got the same question you gave ? what would you feel...

Always think about what happen when you get the same answer you wanted to give.
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Old 21st July 2017, 13:30   #44384  |  Link
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"It's a forum" Ask questions for answers you can find yourself with two mouse clicks.. C'mon.
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Old 21st July 2017, 19:29   #44385  |  Link
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Is madVR really that hard to configure? =/
Actually, it is for a lot of people, especially new users and people who don't understand video technology very well.

I think madshi has said a few times that making madVR easier to configure is a major priority before he'll do a 1.0 release.
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Old 21st July 2017, 21:37   #44386  |  Link
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Can anyone help explain why I'm getting dramatically different performance with kodi-dsplayer+madvr vs mpc-hc+madvr ?

kodi-dsplayer+madvr+lavfilters (external) = >50ms rendering time
mpc-hc+madvr+lavfilters (external) = ~15ms rendering time

Same renderer, same settings, same decoder filters.
I have kodi set to NOT manage madvr, so it's the exact same settings as when I close kodi and run mpc-hc (both are x86).

Whats the difference I'm missing here?
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Old 21st July 2017, 22:06   #44387  |  Link
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Are GPU clocks the same during playback with both of them? Maybe with kodi the GPU is in lower power state for some reason.
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Old 21st July 2017, 22:07   #44388  |  Link
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I know, I just lowered in the upscaling in dobling . luma doubling to High or Medium. that fixed it.
Luma doubling quality is more important than chroma upscaling quality. Lower chroma down to medium before lowering the luma doubling quality.
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Old 21st July 2017, 23:13   #44389  |  Link
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Are GPU clocks the same during playback with both of them? Maybe with kodi the GPU is in lower power state for some reason.
I would assume so, as I've set the power mode in the nvidia control panel to Adaptive instead of power save. However, how would I go on making sure? I can run something like GPU-Z, but how would I know what it shows while playing fullscreen?
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Old 21st July 2017, 23:23   #44390  |  Link
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Can anyone help explain why I'm getting dramatically different performance with kodi-dsplayer+madvr vs mpc-hc+madvr ?

kodi-dsplayer+madvr+lavfilters (external) = >50ms rendering time
mpc-hc+madvr+lavfilters (external) = ~15ms rendering time

Same renderer, same settings, same decoder filters.
I have kodi set to NOT manage madvr, so it's the exact same settings as when I close kodi and run mpc-hc (both are x86).

Whats the difference I'm missing here?
Are Kodi's GUI & OSD still available when using madVR? The player's interface rendering might interfere with the video renderer, I know it does with MediaPortal.
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Old 21st July 2017, 23:36   #44391  |  Link
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Are Kodi's GUI & OSD still available when using madVR? The player's interface rendering might interfere with the video renderer, I know it does with MediaPortal.
They're available by design, but this happens regularly even if I don't have any GUI elements displayed. Either way, I would assume this shouldn't have that kind of dramatic effect on performance. It basically makes it unusable if it's by design like this.
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Old 21st July 2017, 23:56   #44392  |  Link
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Luma doubling quality is more important than chroma upscaling quality.
Almost want an auto setting where madVR just scales back things automatically if there's dropped frames. I hope 1.0 has a tool tip about chroma upscaling so this doesn't need to be constantly reiterated on the forum. Same old crank everything up to maximum and "I have dropped frames.. Wat do?"
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Are Kodi's GUI & OSD still available when using madVR? The player's interface rendering might interfere with the video renderer, I know it does with MediaPortal.
They're available by design, but this happens regularly even if I don't have any GUI elements displayed. Either way, I would assume this shouldn't have that kind of dramatic effect on performance. It basically makes it unusable if it's by design like this.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 07:40   #44394  |  Link
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What is the maximum rendering time allowed to avoid dropped frames?

Its 40ms good enough or Im risking missing some frames on high bitrate encodes/remuxes?

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You gotta be under your frame interval, 40 is cutting it pretty damn close for most of the content you're likely to play.
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You gotta be under your frame interval
Sorry to ask, but what do you mean by "frame interval"? the fps of the source? 23,976 for example? so, taking this into account I have to be under 23ms?

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Old 22nd July 2017, 09:49   #44397  |  Link
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CTRL-J OSD example
Vsync 16.63ms, frame 41.67ms
Need to be under frame value.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 10:54   #44398  |  Link
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I would assume so, as I've set the power mode in the nvidia control panel to Adaptive instead of power save. However, how would I go on making sure? I can run something like GPU-Z, but how would I know what it shows while playing fullscreen?
gpu-z's sensors tab should be enough.
you could alway look at the clock history during those playback.

apps such as zotac firestorm (i use this) or msi afterburner should do the job too.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 11:24   #44399  |  Link
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Sorry to ask, but what do you mean by "frame interval"? the fps of the source? 23,976 for example? so, taking this into account I have to be under 23ms?
Like ryrynz said you can look it up in the OSD.

Mathematically it is very simple: 23.976 Hz means every frame is shown on the display for a duration of 1s / 23.976 ~= 0,0417s = 41,7 ms. So your rendering time must not be greater than that.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 18:45   #44400  |  Link
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Hiii i recently install Lavfilters for improve quality on my anime videos 720p/1080p and i have this issues:

High load GPU: https://puu.sh/wQioD/ebe35e8db9.png
Drop frames 10/s in 1080p, in just 2min i lose 987 frames: https://puu.sh/wQipg/7d83ecf087.jpg

When i play 720p if i have chroma NGU AA High i dropped frames 3-5/s, i dont any drop frames if i use chroma bicubic 75

My pc specs: AMD FX8350 - GTX960 4GB - BenQ GL2460 - 8GB Ram 1600

Thanks and so sorry for my english
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