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Old 19th August 2019, 08:39   #57161  |  Link
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what are your lavfilter settings?

the only situation where deinterlacing doesn't work even when forced for me is when deinterlacing is disabled in lavfilter which is still a bug in madVR, deint=film works which is strange.

forcing deinterlacing on progressive sources works fine.
but
Yeah I do use deinterlacing = disabled in these testings.

So it's an acknowledged bug I assume?
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:44   #57162  |  Link
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no never heard of before don't change the deinterlace lavfilter setting in general especial don't use disabled it if you want deinterlacing.

feel free to add it:
http://bugs.madshi.net
don't miss the part about the lavfilter setting so he can easily reproduce the issue.
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Old 19th August 2019, 08:51   #57163  |  Link
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OK, I just tested again with a progressive video (but the "real" content is interlaced), with LAV set back to "auto".

It still doesn't work for either filename 'deint=on' or ctrl+alt+shift+D.

And yes, changing field order doesn't help.
(Having wrong order will have weird result in video playing, but weaving won't happen like huhn said).

deint=film does work for telecined content (but mine is truly interlaced, not telecined).

Just in case I was not clear before:
The bug is about when force deinterlacing by using filename flag or manual toggle,
not by setting "force" in LAV (which works!).

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Old 19th August 2019, 09:11   #57164  |  Link
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Using DX11 Native decoding in LAV?
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Old 19th August 2019, 09:25   #57165  |  Link
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I use software decoding. LAV setting is all default now

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Old 19th August 2019, 12:01   #57166  |  Link
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IIRC, AMD has (or used to have) some image improvement processing options enabled by default. Make sure you're not falling into a processing trap.
Will look into that.
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Old 19th August 2019, 12:02   #57167  |  Link
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there is no difference in black level this has been proven countless times using measurement hardware you are imagine things or your level settings are messed up.

can you make a screen with ShowRenderSteps would be nice to see AMD back with some NGU capable cards.
I'm sure you are correct.
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Old 19th August 2019, 13:36   #57168  |  Link
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I'm sure you are correct.
Hi, dont suppose you have a 3D display you could test, i may pull the trigger on one of these myself at some point but has to have 3D support.
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Sorry, my set does not support 3d.
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Old 19th August 2019, 15:23   #57170  |  Link
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Curious what are your upscaling settings?
720p

Image doubling: NGU Standard High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Standard High
Image Downscaling: SSIM 1D - 100%
Crispen Edges: 1.2
Thin Edges: 1.2
Enhance Detail: 1.3
Adaptive Sharpen: 1.0
Anti-bloating (100%)
Anti-ringing
Refine once

1080p

Image doubling: NGU Sharp High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Sharp High
Image Downscaling: SSIM 1D - 100%
Scale in linear light
Crispen Edges: 1.0
Thin Edges: 1.0
Enhance Detail: 1.0
Adaptive Sharpen: 1.0
Anti-bloating (100%)
Anti-ringing
Refine every 2x

2160p

Chrome upscaling: NGU Sharp High
Sharpen Edges: 1.0
Crispen Edges: 1.0
Thin Edges: 1.0
Enhance Detail: 1.5
Anti-bloating (75%)
Anti-ringing
Refine once
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Old 19th August 2019, 17:39   #57171  |  Link
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Hi, dont suppose you have a 3D display you could test, i may pull the trigger on one of these myself at some point but has to have 3D support.
It has 3d support, I own a 5700xt myself and enjoy 3d via my jvc n5b projector
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Old 19th August 2019, 19:15   #57172  |  Link
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It has 3d support, I own a 5700xt myself and enjoy 3d via my jvc n5b projector
Cool. I don't have 3d, so couldn't give any advice.

In terms of software - I have found Adrenalin vr 19.7.2 to be the most stable (so far).

What are your findings?

Sorry guys/girls if its off topic - these days here is a tumble-weed day....just sayin.
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It has 3d support, I own a 5700xt myself and enjoy 3d via my jvc n5b projector
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720p
Image doubling: NGU Standard High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Standard High

1080p
Image doubling: NGU Sharp High
Chroma upscaling: NGU Sharp High

2160p
Chrome upscaling: NGU Sharp High
Sharpen Edges: 1.0
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It looks like a bit as 1060 6GB probably a bit more powerful but not much.

Note that if under the 2160p result are the upscaling refinements settings then they are not used (since you don't do doubling).
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It looks like a bit as 1060 6GB probably a bit more powerful but not much.

Note that if under the 2160p result are the upscaling refinements settings then they are not used (since you don't do doubling).
it's much more powerfull than 1060 6gb. I went from a rtx 2080ti and only had to lower a single setting im my 2160p profile, chroma NGU Anti-alias (Very high) to (High) rest of the settings aren't changed

I'm using these settings from https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188
and the Profile: "2160p" for my 4k material with madVR tonemapping on my JVC N5B

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It looks like a bit as 1060 6GB probably a bit more powerful but not much.

Note that if under the 2160p result are the upscaling refinements settings then they are not used (since you don't do doubling).
Isn't the chroma layer still doubled for 2160p? Wouldn't the refinements still apply there?

I wouldn't take my current results as any sort of reliable benchmark. I just wanted to give a rough ballpark idea of what people are seeing in the real world, but fine-tuning it is still a work in progress. There are almost certainly things I can do to improve performance. That said, I think I will be returning my reference 5700 for one of the aftermarket 5700 XT's that should be available any day now. I was hoping they'd come out before my return window was up, but I may just return it and use my RX 560 until they're available.

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No, without image upscaling the upscaling refinements are not run. Chroma scaling is not image upscaling. Image Processing is run after chroma upscaling, if you wanted to process 2160p for some reason.
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it's much more powerfull than 1060 6gb.
Most people don't push their cards to their limit so unless you're looking at gpu usage and render times etc then how would you know? Typically the lower resolution profiles would be more demanding too unless we're talking 60 FPS? I'd trust the benchmark more than a statement without actual numbers and specifics, which I'd like to see for both these cards..the wait continues.

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Most people don't push their cards to their limit so unless you're looking at gpu usage and render times etc then how would you know? Typically the lower resolution profiles would be more demanding too unless we're talking 60 FPS? I'd trust the benchmark more than a statement without actual numbers and specifics, which I'd like to see for both these cards..the wait continues.
No they are not. Read the article i linked to above. From the article I quote.
"madVRís tone mapping can be very resource-heavy with all of the HDR enhancements enabled. To make room, I would recommend simply reducing the value of chroma upscaling to Bicubic60 + AR. Bicubic is more than acceptable as a basic chroma upscaler and is not in any way as impactful as madVRís tone mapping in improving image quality."
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Ah a new Graphic card discussion, sure it won't go like the other hundreds of comparison threads...ah no, my bad.

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