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Old 4th March 2021, 17:52   #61321  |  Link
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I have an issue where HDR videos trigger my display into HDR mode, despite having set a rule to tonemap HDR content... This happens like 50% of times, not always.
I have the same issue. Please list your OS/build/GPU/driver/driver options/madVR build.

If you're on nVidia ampere with the latest driver, try to disable d3d11 so that madVR uses d3d9. That resolved weird color issues as well as the random HDR output when it should be always SDR.

Until recently using a pre-461.09 driver (I was using 460.89) allowed to prevent this, but now even using this older driver doesn't help.

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if you have "output video in HDR format" unticked in devices settings for your display it should never output in HDR mode and therefore not trigger the TV's HDR mode surely?
Unfortunately it does that here, as well as other things, especially when using D3D11.

I never had these issues with d3d11 before upgrading to Ampere, but it could also be 20H2 and/or a driver issue.

A lot of issues are config/GPU/OS/driver specific.

d3d9 works fine, but I lose BD Menus in jRiver (hence reliable forced subtitles with BD folders) which is a shame.
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Old 4th March 2021, 19:46   #61322  |  Link
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ah right, things pretty stable here over on the RED team but i've been experimenting with some different settings in general, i'm now running everything in 8 bit and tone mapping to SDR, i'm also now using smooth motion, i forced myself to use it for a few a week to see if I could get used to it and I did, I get a much smoother pan shots with this on, my TV has some issues with stuttering when using motion settings on my LG OLED EF950 when playing some HDR movies and episodes which i've not been a ble to defeat, I just dont think this TV has enough processing power to do HDR movies with some TRUMOTION turned on as it only happens at 2160p, with MADVR smooth motion on everything plays perfectly and it has the added advantage of not having any delays starting whilst it refresh rate matches.

I've also been able to get 3D without FSE for a while now too so I dont use that anymore, things are pretty good on the RED side at the moment for HTPC playback.
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Old 4th March 2021, 22:16   #61323  |  Link
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team red is doing really great deint didn't work for a single day using a 5000 series. quite an achievement having a basic feature been broken from release to the point some if not all of these cards are EOL.
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Old 4th March 2021, 23:07   #61324  |  Link
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@Manni, I'm still on driver 456.55 so I don't think that's the issue.

I'm on Win7 SP1 x64, GTX 1070, an madVR v0.92.17.

A very different setup, I think this might be a bug in madVR.
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Old 4th March 2021, 23:59   #61325  |  Link
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team red is doing really great deint didn't work for a single day using a 5000 series. quite an achievement having a basic feature been broken from release to the point some if not all of these cards are EOL.
remind me again whats broken at the moment exactly?
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Old 5th March 2021, 01:11   #61326  |  Link
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@Manni, I'm still on driver 456.55 so I don't think that's the issue.

I'm on Win7 SP1 x64, GTX 1070, an madVR v0.92.17.

A very different setup, I think this might be a bug in madVR.
It's probably a bug in madVR, but it's not going to be fixed for a while, so it might be worth trying disabling d3d11 in rendering/general to see if it fixes the issue for you as it fixed it for me.
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Old 5th March 2021, 03:37   #61327  |  Link
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It's probably a bug in madVR, but it's not going to be fixed for a while, so it might be worth trying disabling d3d11 in rendering/general to see if it fixes the issue for you as it fixed it for me.
It didn't fixed it for me. In any case it's his best interest to fix it, looks like a major issue IMO. My SmartTV is 1080p so for the time being I'm ok with that.
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Old 5th March 2021, 09:40   #61328  |  Link
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It didn't fixed it for me. In any case it's his best interest to fix it, looks like a major issue IMO. My SmartTV is 1080p so for the time being I'm ok with that.
It’s not about interest, it’s about time. Madshi has little time available currently to fix bugs in madVR as he’s still very much focused on Envy. No doubt he will fix this if it’s a bug when his focus will be back on madVR.
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Old 5th March 2021, 14:04   #61329  |  Link
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Itís not about interest, itís about time. Madshi has little time available currently to fix bugs in madVR as heís still very much focused on Envy. No doubt he will fix if itís a big when his focus will be back on madVR.
From the Envy marketing email I received yesterday, there seems to be a LOT going on with Envy. Makes me wonder if we'll ever see even a bug fix of madVR again.
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that could be true but we all understand why he's putting all his time into Envy at the moment, I guess we just have wait an see, could be a month or two, could be a year or two
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Old 5th March 2021, 18:08   #61331  |  Link
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From the Envy marketing email I received yesterday, there seems to be a LOT going on with Envy. Makes me wonder if we'll ever see even a bug fix of madVR again.
I mean, all that Envy DTM 2.0 beta development stuff is happening in madVR before Envy in the madVR test builds.

So madVR development is absolutely still happening, it's just hyper-focused on tone-mapping and nothing else at the moment.
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Old 5th March 2021, 19:19   #61332  |  Link
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He's using the data gleamed from the madvr betas to improve the Envy. That was the whole premise of how this was going to work going forward. madvr tests things and tweaks it, Envy benefits. It's what allows us to keep getting improved madvr betas.
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and why the betas time out. Look at it from the investors point of view too.
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and why the betas time out. Look at it from the investors point of view too.
But there is no real reason to use an old beta version so long.

Madshi said that he will always release a new beta version with a refreshed expiration timer before the previous one ends.

He added this because companies are selling PCs with madVR pre-installed which is not allowed by the license.

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Madshi said that he will always release a new beta version with a refreshed expiration timer before the previous one ends.

He added this because companies are selling PCs with madVR pre-installed which is not allowed by the license.
I'd say that's very, very gracious of madshi then. Sort of a thank you to those providing feedback and a blank you to those profiting on PC's with his hard work in it.

I actually thought it was investor pressure not to give anything away for free and if they did it would have a time limit.

After reading your thoughts, I guess madshi likes and needs testers as much as they like and need him. It's a win win. It's especially nice to see madVR keeps advancing on the Envy front and the software front.

Boy, I wish I had one of those but the software is nothing short of a miracle in itself
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The beta 129 and 130 can be downloaded but seems to have Trojan virus on board.
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The beta 129 and 130 can be downloaded but seems to have Trojan virus on board.
False positive per Madshi.
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seems to have Trojan virus on board.
You need to learn what false positives are.
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well I got through nearly 10 days this time before I had to turn smooth motion off, i'd really love to see some development by MADSHI on this after the bugs and stuff, whenever he gets time. Most of the time it looks ok but the loss of sharpness and fidelity gets me every time, I can deal with the slight smearing on fast shots.

I hear its better at higher frame rates but I cant see how that what work, why would it be sharper at 120hz for instance?
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Old 8th March 2021, 17:07   #61340  |  Link
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But there is no real reason to use an old beta version so long.
Madshi said that he will always release a new beta version with a refreshed expiration timer before the previous one ends.
He added this because companies are selling PCs with madVR pre-installed which is not allowed by the license.
While I understand madshi has to take steps to prevent people profiting off his free software and unfairly competing with his own product, people should realize he also said the test builds' only purpose are to improve HDR tone mapping, not improve madVR for PC as a whole, and people who are not willing to keep updating builds and therefore sometimes encounter bugs or unexpected changes in processing quality should not use them, as you can't expect a stable experience without following that thread closely and understanding all the new settings and how to tweak them for your setup.

I personally am still using the v113 test build as I know what to expect from it and it was the last one for a long time (and I don't use smoothmotion which crashes with it), but if you consider a use case of wanting some stability for a system to just enjoy watching movies on, then madVR for PC hasn't received a development for anything other than tone mapping for 2,5 years now which is quite a lot.
So, for sure all the development for the Envy first appears in the PC version test builds so you can benefit from it if you want, but I think it's reasonable to expect only the development that benefits the Envy and only the bug fixes which allow it to continue will be added to the PC version from now on (except maybe if madshi decides to release some paid PC version?).
I still consider madVR the best renderer for now, but things change so fast in tech I hope it will stay that way.
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