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17th November 2019, 14:11 | #1 | Link |
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which CPU is currently recommended to play 4K + HDR movies?
which CPU is currently recommended to play 4K + HDR movies?
AMD OR INTEL ? which model (including opening filters) ? which player plays the best 4K movies? HDR? and why ? |
17th November 2019, 14:23 | #2 | Link |
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A high end CPU is not needed when you have a 1050ti which has hardware decoders.
MPC-HC or better MPC-BE, because MPC-BE can also convert HDR to SDR with internal filters, without the need of madVR and MPC-BE development is very active. See its thread for more infos or questions: Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64 Here you can download latest Nightly build, don't worry -> rocksolid https://yadi.sk/d/r7JYQ2NjHvE4lA/Beta/1.5.4 https://yadi.sk/d/hlf1lfC8mKU58 |
17th November 2019, 15:27 | #3 | Link |
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Thank you for your help
MPC-BE gives better HDR, but it looks like a DVD player rather than 4K not the most accurate to unite noises in the picture no details in the picture " MPC-BE, because MPC-BE can also convert HDR to SDR " why ruin the movie ? This already means that there are problems with the player play HDR i have an OPPO 103D and I'd rather see a 1080P than a computer player Something about the quality of the filters and the player doesn't fit 4K |
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When it "converts" it is not ruining the video, but it is tonemaping the HDR metadata to SDR video. madVR does similar but in highest quality possible if you set it up so. Just follow the offical threads here on doom9 and also on AVS.
What does not work for you in 4K? I have several 4K screens and every one works just fine with pure MPC-BE without external Filters like LAV Filters and madVR and also with the external filters. I need info to help you with that. The Envy does also the tonemapping. Look up its price. By the way I have an OPPO too, but it is a UDP-203 |
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first thanks for your help !
I'm trying to work with MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 Everyone has pros and cons 1. i opened filters - like sharpen and sharpen complex these are the only filters that do something for your image, but the price this black tones is shattering! Light noises in movie ! brightness goes down a lot . 2. madVR- is written in filters that do not work Quote:
you have the most powerful computer processors and computer commands at any level you want and no one is right for quality! Play quality! but it doesn't look 4K! ( In 10 BIT Colors movies, colors are lost, lacking many shades, lacking sharpness compared to the Blue Ray 1080P, the Blue Ray looks sharper! you see many details in oppo 103D ! Darbee Visual - your players do not have similar elements like Darbee Visual / AI and the Tegra X1 in SHIELD TV Pro i have a Q9FN 65 "screen you feel that the filters and Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 ! are not tuned in to show and play quality !!! Can play any movie but without quality . 3. HDR - does not work well with Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 i do not know if this the Microsoft driver for HDR or players for HDR ? Or need a special computer processor ? 4. the problem I feel is that developers are not looking to give image or sound quality! Not compatible with new computer systems and processors, processing commands of 2019 or 2015 5. Quote:
there are no updates and the price of 203 oppo device increased from $ 450 to $ 2100 + it screams and says computer players aren't good enough !!! 6. see sales of SHIELD TV Pro are not Standing in demand and it is a device with lots of problem 7. The Samsung TV player does a better job than your player with HDR or with out HDR But without DTS or eARC support 8. i must add that your players lack quality = HDR, contrast, 10 / 12BIT colors and it feels like developers don't have screens that match the quality of display ! NO Rich, sharp and detailed picture 8.1 the same goes for sound, as if no one has really checked or heard what it sounds like in 7.1.6 Or 9.1.6 or 5.1.4 No sound accuracy quality there is no sound detail no sharp sound Last edited by hogtop; 19th November 2019 at 09:22. |
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19th November 2019, 12:39 | #6 | Link |
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Wow... there is so much to unpack here.
I'm not sure anyone can help you since you seem to be looking for something that most here would consider wrong. I can say with a certainty that madVR is one of the best (if not THE best) renderer for it's ability to produce an amazing image in terms of both quality and accuracy. I can only guess, but either your entire setup has some serious flaws or you are chasing dragons that nearly everyone here would avoid at all costs. QB
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1. Unfortunately - the player does a bad job 2. From 2000 I have been installing various players, the players 2.1 MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 They have a history that developers just disappeared, stopped supporting them. 3. Over the years there have been so many compromises and malfunctions with the player! 3.1 that many people ran away from a quality tune through a computer and bought a Stream + Blue Ray 3.2 for many years in all the forums in the US and Europe people complained about the poor quality of players! that's the reality! 3.3 Countless players were left by their owners who couldn't sell them either, because nobody wanted to pay them! That's a reality! Quote:
how do you recommend a plug-in that doesn't exist in the player? 4. all your words without exception, unrelated to the reality of quality non-quality players! 4.1 no wonder you can't answer anything listed here apart from listing an advertisement that you have the best player in the world! Unrelated to reality this is not the only problem for MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 players just show the joke of poor quality of players, let's take for example POWER DVD 19 Who for 12 years has not been updated on his engine see a picture of commands in the processor 3D NOW ? 12 years does not exist every year the POWER DVD players get worse ! they ask for $ 100 on a player that gives poor viewing quality, they have no money to spend . so they change graphics of the player every year! i must point out that the sound is usually quality! and sell the same player every year With a new advertisement |
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19th November 2019, 15:51 | #8 | Link |
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if you state anything as "reality" you should back it up with facts.
you are just ranting none sense. you do not even understanding how DTS-X and dolby atmos work and there is nothing a "player" can do with it that'S how it works it untouchable by the source player and the end device like an AVR has to do everything... |
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You're welcome Most important question is what grafics card and what mainboard do you use? Exact name and type number.
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download madVR, unpack the folder to your desired location, open the unpacked folder and rightclick install.bat now madVR is installed and can be configured with doubleclick on madHcCtrl.exe then a icon in taskbar appears. Here it will be too much to suggest the settings for your needs, this will be a thing for later . Quote:
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What comes in my mind, do you use a AVR and external speaker? If you are using built in TV speakers you must be sure to downmix Audio to Stereo im MPC-BE. Otherwise the Center and other channels way be not hearable. This was the first one, please wait a bit for the next part |
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I'm using an old, used XEON with 12 cores. Does not support AVX extension. But with a GTX 1060 and 12GB of RAM, I can rip my UHD movies and watch them without any frame drops. I watch on my PC. SDR monitor, MPC-HC (development continued on Github, for new updates/patches, it's preferred you have a push commit), latest MadVR test builds (not static web page to get updates, random posts on the AVSforums have download links to test builds; so use latest stable on a static page: Videohelp). In LAV filters, you can disable 10/16bit and let it export as NV12 (8bit). In MadVR OSD stats, you'll see that you can shave off about 10-15ms of rendering time. Test this, so you can see if you notice a difference in accuracy or not. Placebo people will use 10/16bit. Insane people will use RGB48. On my really outdated system (old mobo and old cpu), I use NV12 on my 32" 1080p/SDR/TN monitor (not IPS or O/LED; bought it for gaming and HFR interpolating via SVP). The difference between NV12 and 10bit, only some scenes may show actual difference to me.
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20th November 2019, 01:21 | #12 | Link |
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If I use 10/16bit YUV420 on a full remux, It can take up to 44ms, which drops frames and lags a lot.
That's with no compromise in the trade/quality settings in Madvr (except for scale chroma separately). Using NV12 vs YV12 in 8bit, I get faster render times in MadVR using NV12. Selecting only NV12/YV12, LAV will export NV12, anyway. Older builds of MadVR would spike up to at least 40. Selecting any RGB mode in LAV spikes up to at least 50. Id I add compromising in HDR/Gamut tonemapping accuracy, I get at least 32ms for RGB24. Which is just playable. Anything at least 40ms and it starts to stutter and lag a lot for me.
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did you try d3d11?
and did you lower the queue you have very little Vram? p010 is double the raw size of NV12 but it can be send without doing anything. did you even check if your CPU can do an RGB conversation in real time for UHD not sure if anyone ever made that multi threaded ? |
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The queue is set for 3 advanced frames in windowed mode (pretty much how I always watch things). I'm not sure if it's updates to LAV or MadVR, but going 10/16 would act like I was using RGB48. For some reason, using 10/16 has no impact on performance.
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When the quality of films goes up this is facts ! FFDSHOW is still encoded better than your coders+shaders today for PC ! the ability of coded maneuvering is much better for movies up to 1080P. ( FFDSHOW do not develop 10 years - / + ) Today you have shaders that come with ready-made filters that do nothing good for the picture! If there are shaders that work with the severe side effects of image damage this is facts ! see photos I took with the James Bond 4K movie which I add https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu note the grid in the image with shaders for many years I did not get any picture quality so bad in the player! and with a 4K movie . https://imgur.com/bhXQpmd Not to mention noise in the picture, distorted colors, i must point out that you have the most powerful processors on computers the best video cards from any other player in the store! and the quality of the players on the computer is very poor i thought I was doing something wrong and going to friends with high quality equipment and that's where your player looks bad too! i don't understand your line of thought ? Why do you save quality image processing power on pc ? my friends have a 10-core 12-core processor+video card and you don't take advantage of anything from a computer! you don't use computer processing power, nothing good happens! i do not understand what you're trying to save electricity ? Quote:
Sound gets new life, dynamic, sharpness Here PowerDVD player comes to sound quality expression and that sounds the best IN PC ! Somehow your player manages to ruin anything good! your " pass-through " in DTS-X /dts-hd / DD ....NOT WORK GOOD (i do have to point out that I found movies that sounded good , but the majority were not exciting and not good like ....) do your developers have access to quality equipment ? like a quality 65 "TV like Q90 or OLED? receivers with 9.1.6 / etc ? because many friends and I can't figure out if anyone is trying to do tricks with Player ? elimination player? i know your player 15 years + The situation is bad with high movie quality. i know so many people who thought they had a computer player and that's the best thing there is! and after seeing a Blue Ray player, OPPO or other types just couldn't go back to playing on the computer Movies ! You succeeded destroying every mark of quality in the computer player !!! inaccurate colors Poor colors in dark picture It's hard to tell the difference between 8BIT and 10BIT. High quality players have a 12BIT conversion and it looks good. Your filters are bad, shaders if working only destroys the image I can't find anything quality in your player! like someone is forcibly trying to destroy the domain of pc ! |
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all the people I know on forums around the world don't touch in computer player ! and they have the most sophisticated computers in the world! I don't need a quality computer i have AMD 8350 +NVIDIA 1050ti +CROSSHAIR V FORMULA-Z I have AMD 1950+ nvidia 1070 DENON 8500 9.1.6 / 9.1.4 /7.1.6 ( The receiver selects channels up to 13.2 ) oled tv +samsung tv 65" q9fn all computer players do not work well with OLED because OLED is WRGB and not RGB ( So what I wrote is for Samsung TV ) Quote:
Neither me or my friends! THE HDR Does not work well with your players I can't say one good word about any computer player and I've been to a lot of houses and people and nobody can see quality through your player Quote:
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Someone in your development destroyed all player ! decided not to need image processing power! and need to save electricity! and people don't want to buy quality computers !!! this is where the quality has deteriorated started Quote:
8 BIT and I have to point out with the RGB oriented in 1050TI video card it looks sharp! But not 10 BIT in MPC-HC x64 The contrast is good but the colors are weak and not good I'm directing the movie on a video card to 4: 2: 0 12BIT There is color improvement But a small difference I made some video card enhancements to specifically target the player to work better with the NVIDIA 1050TI and it improves! But the picture is dark and colors are not good Good Contrast! 60FPS looks good and very sharp With 4K movie and video card matching, your player is better and can compete with OPPO 103D that broadcasts 1080P But the colors are not good! Sharp as the OPPO 103D HDR 10 - Does not work well and does not improve the film The film looks too sharp, and the movement is not good with MPC-BE The film looks too sharp, and the movement is not good Colors slightly better Weak contrasts Low light in the movie has a serious problem with a Low lighting see image https://imgur.com/a/sr9NDFK https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu HDR 10 - Not good looking, better without HDR Turning off sharpness filters - improves movement, lowers contrast The.Current.War.2017.1080p.BluRay - MOVIE Player looks dark, weak colors! Many sections do not cope well with weak film lighting and color distortion Here's a big problem seeing every movie has to sit for hours within the player at the movie and there is no improvement AVR Showing 60 FPS 4: 2: 0 12 BIT Seamless motion, but the player does not cope well with low film lighting all filters are closed Weak contrasts the OPPO 103D is tuned once and can be seen in 2 options with Derby or not The player automatically selects colors and encodes through HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 in oppo with RGB 8bit 4k 60hz the same problems only make the color weaker I added MPC-BE the software to the 1050TI video card in a specific direction. I'll play with it tomorrow, because it's already 2AM there is a problem that keeps coming back the filters are pre-made and do not fit automatically! It really helps save CPU power. But it destroys all good quality and color matching and lighting quality ! This is your player's biggest problem movie is a dynamic thing, every movie has its own special lighting There are special colors! And your filters are not dynamic! It saves processing power !!! But ruining every experience and quality of view !!! No wonder people and Videophiles don't like playing on the computer today. Audiophiles - Because the filters are not dynamic in your player, no quality, no life in sound, you got the best quality in sound today with DTS-X + dd+ Atmos and you managed to kill everything living in sound ! |
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hey i installed a player set it up totally wrong so the player is wrong not me i speak the truth.
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and now i wish you a lot of fun pressing every button, check every check box that is possible to check and change every setting you could possible touch without any clue what you are doing them blame it for the result that you created. ahh yeah don't forget there are other forums that need to know about that spread it stop us from destroying the "PC domain" you are the last hope! in the name of reality. |
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You ask with an opinion? Recieve! Now you know why people don't like a computer player! Also available free ! don't like computer player! Someone needs to start telling the truth! no Someone in your development destroyed all player ! decided not to need image processing power! and need to save electricity! and people don't want to buy quality computers !!! this is where the quality has deteriorated started there is a problem that keeps coming back the filters are pre-made and do not fit automatically! It really helps save CPU power. But it destroys all good quality and color matching and lighting quality ! This is your player's biggest problem Audiophiles - Because the filters are not dynamic in your player, no quality, no life in sound, you got the best quality in sound today with DTS-X + dd+ Atmos and you managed to kill everything living in sound ! Image with different lighting has quality distortion No wonder you lose many viewers? No wonder the lowest-level HDR can't work with your player! that's one problem! and there are many problems with non-dynamic filters! no dynamic filters - no HDR 10 no dynamic filters - no HDR 10 + no dynamic filters - no Dolby Vision HDR no dynamic filters - no quality, no life in sound. no dynamic filters = Today the player's life will be short ! No wonder people who see their new HDR screen with a computer player are very disappointed! So much so that they think it's all a fraud. Believe me I don't enjoy writing it and I'd rather write and tell all my friends, play movies only in your player! No wonder all the players PC - its developers are gone! Even selling the player can not. You are trying to bring more customers to your player and you will get the opposite results! People are losing interest in not understanding why quality is not good, with any PC player Unfortunately ! Unfortunately all your answers are not written to the point You have been personally offended ! why ? My screen player in samsung tv including HDR does a much better job than any other player! But not DTS! don't understand why Samsung refuses to give driver to sound pass-through to receiver ? Same problem with the Blue Ray4K Panasonic 820 player, you can't hear the movies! Just watch movies without sound Next year with HDMI 2.1 + eARC Which computer player will stay alive ? and why ? |
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