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When you follow jdobb's steps, you can then stop at #5 and burn the BD structure that is created. |
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That is also why you do test burns on RW media, so that you can make sure that it does play all the files and that the menu structure meets your needs. |
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Absolutely. Typically mkv files have stripped the borders off, hence not even the resolution is blu-ray compliant. Plus number of non-compliant ref frames, GOP size, b-adapt etc. etc. Normally all far from blu-ray compliancy.
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And, I do always have to check ref & B frames first just in case I want to do that. Even at that, there are times when even playing the MKV file on my OPPO chokes it, and in looking at the encoding parameters, I still can't tell why... |
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Yes, it does. It disproves the "virtually zero" and having to "always" recode. I don't.
Not all posters of MKV videos crop the image. My Samsung will just zoom the video to fit the 1920x1080 image area. What doesn't work are those people who try to save a few bits/sec by cropping 960 video to 1920x960. That doesn't play correctly, as the Samsung will vertically stretch it to 1080. |
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I just played one of the discs in my pre-Cinavia (over 5 yrs old) Samsung and it played the disc just fine. Could be luck. Don't know, don't care. The point is that if it works for you, go for it. Whenever you can NOT recode, the better off the video file is, as encoding errors are introduced with each recode. Especially with the lower bitrates that come with many files. Have I run across some videos that didn't work? Yes. Those were recoded. But, they are very few are far between. If it ever happens that the disc won't play in a different player, then redo it and recode. Since the videos on the disc weren't recoded previously for the disc, they won't have gone through a double-recoding to make another disc. The thing about BD specs is that the players have to play discs that meet those specs. Doesn't mean they can't play discs that don't. Seems that many players will play pretty much anything. |
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I'm with jdobbs on this one. Just because it plays because the player is "configured" to be less strict when it comes to playing files doesn't mean the files are up to the standard which the player should be ENFORCING instead of being less strict.
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You and jdobbs may consider that to be wrong, but that is the state of the world when it comes to players. Because of that, I take advantage of it. Doesn't mean that others can't either. Doesn't make me wrong for using the ability of the device. |
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For someone who has to author discs that will play on ANY BD player, that is true. But, for those of us who can think outside of the box and use the features that the player has, it is another story. I like using the capabilities of the devices that I have.
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Standards are the only thing that separates order from chaos in science and engineering. Chaos is not "thinking outside the box". It's just chaos. Last edited by jdobbs; 3rd November 2017 at 22:09. |
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Nope. You should give up trying to convince me what I am doing is so wrong.
We can certainly agree to disagree. Added: You seem to be completely missing the point. The Samsung player, as are most BD/DVD/CD players these days, are not just BD/DVD/CD players. They are MEDIA players. With the "media" coming in all shapes and forms. Because of that, it can, and does more. And I take advantage of that. I can put those same MKV files on a BD-ROM and the Samsung will play them as if I had them on a flash drive. It is just nice to have a menu wrapped around those files, with a nice image background.
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From what I understand, the ability to play MKV files on a disc or USB..it's using different software than BD specific. Which is why JD really is so "anal" (Ahhh..pun from before) about not supporting (much) outside of the BD Specifications and is pretty ridged about Does It Play Correctly From disc??!? This seems to be what you were missing. I hope it's helpful. Outside the Box is a form of thinking, of allowing yourself not to become ridged in Beliefs (long held patterns of thought) that CAN change from unhealthy to healthy are better awareness. It's not a Hardware related statement; nor BD related topic.
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No, I'm not missing that point, and said so in an above posting.
The "final" output from BDRB needs to fit the spec so that it will play on "every" BD player. And no, the player doesn't have to switch to a mode that will only play discs that meet the spec, otherwise it would refuse to play the discs that I've created. It doesn't. The intermediate BDMV file layout that BDRB produces meets the spec for menu playback, so that the BD player will read and display the menu. The MPEG-2/MPEG-4 video files may not meet the BD spec, but they must meet the MPEG-2/MPEG-4 spec, which allows the player to play those files. Let's make another example. You purchased Adobe Photoshop in order to create background images for BDRB. Adobe writes that you need, at a minimum, a certain processor type and speed. A minumum amount of RAM, minimum video display resolution and a minimum amount of HDD space in which to load the program and be able to work with images. That doesn't stop you from having a computer with capabilities that are many times better than the spec. Does that mean when you run Photoshop you only run on a computer with the minumum specs? Nope. Same thing with a BD player. It meets the minimum specs to play authored discs, but doesn't stop it from playing BD discs with non-BD spec MPEG-2/MPEG-4 videos because the player can. It is my responsibility to determine if the player can play the intermediate BDMV file structures that BDRB produces. I'm pleased that the BD players that I have can play the BDRB intermediate BDMV file structures. That way I can have discs with menus, without having to recode the videos and degrade the quality of the video files. |
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I understand your reasoning and example. My older LG BD Player also plays outside of the Specs. Short example, I don't have to name the BD "THIS_IS_THE_NAME". I'm able to call it "This Is The Name" or "this is the name". But I prefer better grammar and punctuation; however I don't use punctuation within a BD name. So, you're meaning "tHIS is tHE nAME" is outside of BD specs but it still plays. I concur. I also really like that. BUT...JD, with BD-RB, is being strict to the Guidelines of BD. That's his point. YOU understand those, at least in part, as well as I do, in part, but many Do Not. His communication and program are aimed at those who Don't...and quotes Specific to avoid a LOT of possible headaches. Get it?
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