BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Capsbackup]

@DoctorM,
Have you tried setting the output size to BD-50?
If your goal is to not reencode, and you are certain the output will fit a BD-25 when unwanted audio and subtitles are removed, then this should keep BD-RB from reencoding any files.
If any of the files are not Blu-ray compliant resolution though, then reencoding must take place!

[jdobbs]

@Stigmatta

I mentioned this earlier. I suspect that the series discs you are trying to backup use JAVA for the menus. AVCHD doesn't support JAVA. Some players are strict when it comes to DVD discs, and will only play them if they strictly comply with AVCHD. Are you sure that isn't the case with your series backups?

The second possibility is burner issues. BD-RB will output to your hard drive before burning to disc. Have you tried playing the folder on the hard drive with PowerDVD?

[Stigmatta]

I honestly dont know. Im trying game of thrones and the simpsons. How can i find out if they do use java? Sorry to sound stupid if its easy to do lol.

[Stigmatta]

Im ripping to my hard drive but not burning the files with BDRB, im dropping the files into IMGBURN.
Yes, i can play the m2ts files fine in powerdvd

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Stigmatta

Im ripping to my hard drive but not burning the files with BDRB, im dropping the files into IMGBURN.
Yes, i can play the m2ts files fine in powerdvd

But can you play the BD structure? You should be able to play it (in PowerDVD) with menus and all by selecting the folder. I'm not talking about the folder you ripped, I mean the one that is created by BD-RB in your working folder.

[Stigmatta]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

But can you play the BD structure? You should be able to play it (in PowerDVD) with menus and all by selecting the folder. I'm not talking about the folder you ripped, I mean the one that is created by BD-RB in your working folder.

Ok, so i dragged and dropped the folders on Powerdvd and the picture is all black but does look like it would work if i could see the menus. My only guess its some kind of menus problem...? Some kind of java situation with these titles like you stated? Any other options for some kind of work around?

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Stigmatta

Ok, so i dragged and dropped the folders on Powerdvd and the picture is all black but does look like it would work if i could see the menus. My only guess its some kind of menus problem...? Some kind of java situation with these titles like you stated? Any other options for some kind of work around?

Import the disc, and then do a full backup of the import (to get it down to size). That will create a disc without JAVA that contains all the episodes.

Of course, if the problem turns out to be your burner -- you'll still be in the same boat.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

@DoctorM,
Have you tried setting the output size to BD-50?
If your goal is to not reencode, and you are certain the output will fit a BD-25 when unwanted audio and subtitles are removed, then this should keep BD-RB from reencoding any files.
If any of the files are not Blu-ray compliant resolution though, then reencoding must take place!

Just a note: You have to be careful with when selecting larger sizes in order to force BD-RB to keep original video intact. If your intent is to output to BD-5/9 -- the VIDEO HAS TO BE RE-ENCODED and it should NEVER be forced to be kept intact by setting a larger size or asserting the FORCE_NOENCODE hidden option. This is because the maximum bitrate for BD-5/9 is much, much lower than BD-25/50. Forcing BD-RB to keep something intact that is destined for BD-5/9 will likely result in severe playback issues. The disc transfer rate of the DVD media will not be able to keep up with the original bitrate.

If left to it's own devices, BD-RB will never keep video destined for BD-5/9 intact. So anyone who decides to "get-around" this should be warned that they are creating a self-inflicted-wound that is NOT the fault of the software.

[Stigmatta]

Well i tried doing the import thing you asked and it still seems to be some sort of menus issue, even when i drop into Powerdvd. Anyone else have problems with Game of thrones or Simpsons blurays possibly besides me? Oh well, i might call it quits on these, as i really dont wanna make them into mkv/mp4 files...

[HWK]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Just a note: You have to be careful with when selecting larger sizes in order to force BD-RB to keep original video intact. If your intent is to output to BD-5/9 -- the VIDEO HAS TO BE RE-ENCODED and it should NEVER be forced to be kept intact by setting a larger size or asserting the FORCE_NOENCODE hidden option. This is because the maximum bitrate for BD-5/9 is much, much lower than BD-25/50. Forcing BD-RB to keep something intact that is destined for BD-5/9 will likely result in severe playback issues. The disc transfer rate of the DVD media will not be able to keep up with the original bitrate.

If left to it's own devices, BD-RB will never keep video destined for BD-5/9 intact. So anyone who decides to "get-around" this should be warned that they are creating a self-inflicted-wound that is NOT the fault of the software.

Jdobbs, I suggest put it on first post, otherwise it will get buried and folks will complain when error occurs.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Stigmatta

Well i tried doing the import thing you asked and it still seems to be some sort of menus issue, even when i drop into Powerdvd. Anyone else have problems with Game of thrones or Simpsons blurays possibly besides me? Oh well, i might call it quits on these, as i really dont wanna make them into mkv/mp4 files...

There's definitely something wrong from your end. The HDMV menus from IMPORTING are created by BD-RB -- they aren't even on the original.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by HWK

Jdobbs, I suggest put it on first post, otherwise it will get buried and folks will complain when error occurs.

I added it to the sticky "BD Rebuilder (BD-RB) Frequently Asked Questions"

[Stigmatta]

Ya maybe ill do a format of my comp this weekend and see how things go if i cant get it worked out. thanks for your help.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Stigmatta

Ya maybe ill do a format of my comp this weekend and see how things go if i cant get it worked out. thanks for your help.

Check that burner...

[Stigmatta]

Looks like i figured it out!!!
So, for the hell of it, i tried playing the original bluray in PowerDVD and it ended up crashing and saying my display was not HDCP compliant which i thought seemed very wierd. So i ended up doing some research and also remembered i just recently hooked up my monitor with a mini-hdmi cable. As soon as i got home from work i switched my monitor back to using a DVI cable instead, and instantly NVIDIA control panel said my monitor was now hdcp compliant. So i dropped one of those folders i made onto PowerDVD and BAM, it played!!! So it seems all it was, was just an HDCP issue and just a stupid little mini-hdmi cable, ughhhhh. Guess ill just have to re-rip these discs which isnt a big deal.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Stigmatta

Looks like i figured it out!!!
So, for the hell of it, i tried playing the original bluray in PowerDVD and it ended up crashing and saying my display was not HDCP compliant which i thought seemed very wierd. So i ended up doing some research and also remembered i just recently hooked up my monitor with a mini-hdmi cable. As soon as i got home from work i switched my monitor back to using a DVI cable instead, and instantly NVIDIA control panel said my monitor was now hdcp compliant. So i dropped one of those folders i made onto PowerDVD and BAM, it played!!! So it seems all it was, was just an HDCP issue and just a stupid little mini-hdmi cable, ughhhhh. Guess ill just have to re-rip these discs which isnt a big deal.

Good to know you got it worked out. Thanks.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by DoctorM

Pop-up error: tsmuxer.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Seriously, that log was about it. Here is the full log going from a BD25 to BD25 movie only (just for the quick log):

[02/19/14] BD Rebuilder v0.46.13 (beta)
[01:59:35] Source:  ***
  - Input BD size: 21.79 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:09:44.777]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), CRF
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[01:59:37] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [01:59:37] Processing: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
 - [01:59:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
 - Network Optix tsMuxeR.  Version 2.6.12. www.networkoptix.com
[02:00:07] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted

Has there been a change in the version of tsMuxeR? Does the new one have different system requirements or something?

Edit: Yeah, swapped out the tsmuxer.exe with an older one and it works fine. Something hinky in new version.
Edit 2: Just tested a dozen versions of tsmuxer, I can't run any version past 1.10.6. Something in the new code either doesn't like my WinXP or old CPU.
Hopefully, I can keep copying 1.10.6 into your new releases and it'll work. My PC isn't getting upgraded any time soon and I sure won't want to be doing without BDRB.

Edit 3: Noticed something else. "Input BD size" shown in the log still includes the disabled audio and subtitle tracks.
I've now seen this force an unnecessary re-encoding. It probably also causes undersized discs.

Originally Posted by DoctorM

I completely understand you not supporting a really old CPU. I'll continue to swap tsmuxer or use old versions as long as I have to. That's my problem.
But the calculations for that take place before Tsmuxer becomes involved.

Unless you've addressed an issue with the "BD Input Size" being wrong recently, you should take a look. Same log: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...41#post1669241
The original M2TS is 21.79gb as being reported, but more than a gig of audio tracks were disabled there. BDRB doesn't deduct that and forces a re-encode even though only a rebuild is needed.

True for Movie Only and Movie with Menus.

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Just a note: You have to be careful with when selecting larger sizes in order to force BD-RB to keep original video intact. If your intent is to output to BD-5/9 -- the VIDEO HAS TO BE RE-ENCODED and it should NEVER be forced to be kept intact by setting a larger size or asserting the FORCE_NOENCODE hidden option. This is because the maximum bitrate for BD-5/9 is much, much lower than BD-25/50. Forcing BD-RB to keep something intact that is destined for BD-5/9 will likely result in severe playback issues. The disc transfer rate of the DVD media will not be able to keep up with the original bitrate.

If left to it's own devices, BD-RB will never keep video destined for BD-5/9 intact. So anyone who decides to "get-around" this should be warned that they are creating a self-inflicted-wound that is NOT the fault of the software.

Yes I am aware of this for BD5-BD9 size.
But DoctorM was referring to only having to remove some audio files to avoid reencoding, and keep BD-25 size. But since he stated BD-RB was reencoding it anyways, even though he felt it should fit to a BD-25, I mentioned this method would certainly avoid reencoding if to fit BD-25 was the goal.
However, since the source movie was removed/edited from his log, we cannot tell if this is a BD compliant Blu-ray.(1920x1080, etc...) If it is not, then BD-RB must reencode it, regardless of size, to make it compliant.

[DoctorM]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

However, since the source movie was removed/edited from his log, we cannot tell if this is a BD compliant Blu-ray.(1920x1080, etc...) If it is not, then BD-RB must reencode it, regardless of size, to make it compliant.

As later mentioned, it's the Tinker Bell movie. Thanks for making me say it twice.

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : .\Tinktest\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 23.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 17mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 43.7 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 1h 17mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 29.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 31.9 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.600
Stream size                              : 16.3 GiB (68%)
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

And again, the .INI was showing: REDUCTION=.964848001957923
So it isn't re-encoding because of the format.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

Yes I am aware of this for BD5-BD9 size.
But DoctorM was referring to only having to remove some audio files to avoid reencoding, and keep BD-25 size. But since he stated BD-RB was reencoding it anyways, even though he felt it should fit to a BD-25, I mentioned this method would certainly avoid reencoding if to fit BD-25 was the goal.
However, since the source movie was removed/edited from his log, we cannot tell if this is a BD compliant Blu-ray.(1920x1080, etc...) If it is not, then BD-RB must reencode it, regardless of size, to make it compliant.

When I post things, it isn't always just an answer to one post -- I try to aim at the entire reading audience.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by DoctorM

As later mentioned, it's the Tinker Bell movie. Thanks for making me say it twice.

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : .\Tinktest\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 23.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 17mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 43.7 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 1h 17mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 29.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 31.9 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.600
Stream size                              : 16.3 GiB (68%)
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

And again, the .INI was showing: REDUCTION=.964848001957923
So it isn't re-encoding because of the format.

If it says .965 -- then BD-RB has calculated that it must be reencoded to reduce that required 3.5%.

File size : 23.8 GiB

The default target size is: 22.95GB

According to one of the logs you posted you are keeping HD audio:

Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640

HD audio can be very large, and is probably the reason the video needs to be reduced. HD audio can also have a huge amount of muxing overhead (13-35% depending on the type).

I don't even know why we're having this discussion. BD-RB has the required files right in front of it from the demux and simply adds them up when it does the calculations.