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Old 21st March 2017, 21:05   #25801  |  Link
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The heart of my current PC setup is Intel Core i7-4770. BD-RB now takes around 7 hours (High Quality VBR) to shrink a BD movie. Just wondered if the new AMD Ryzen 1800X (8 cores) processessor (and the rumored 16 cores one) would be able to halve the processing time?
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Old 21st March 2017, 22:06   #25802  |  Link
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The heart of my current PC setup is Intel Core i7-4770. BD-RB now takes around 7 hours (High Quality VBR) to shrink a BD movie. Just wondered if the new AMD Ryzen 1800X (8 cores) processessor (and the rumored 16 cores one) would be able to halve the processing time?
Can't say about the Ryzen... but 7 hours seems like a lot. I run an AMD FX8350, which should be inferior to your i7, and it takes about half that long. Of course it would depend a lot on the particular disc and total length of the encoding... but 7 hrs still seems long.
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Old 21st March 2017, 23:06   #25803  |  Link
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@jdobbs...your FX8350 is hardly faster than a i7-3770.
i7-4770 has about 10% more power than the i7-3770. That should make it a little faster than the FX8350.
Ryzen is a completely different thing. It has a lot more horsepower per clock and it has it strength offsides from gaming. Encoding should be one of the best things to run on Ryzen. While gaming my i7-7700K is clearly the better choice, but it stands no chance while encoding.

IŽd recommend the x1700 over the x1800. The price gap is too big for the little more performance I think.
And I strongly recommend x370 boards if you have plans for many m.2 SSDs aka Top speed storage.

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Old 21st March 2017, 23:50   #25804  |  Link
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@jdobbs...your FX8350 is hardly faster than a i7-3770.
i7-4770 has about 10% more power than the i7-3770. That should make it a little faster than the FX8350.
Ryzen is a completely different thing. It has a lot more horsepower per clock and it has it strength offsides from gaming. Encoding should be one of the best things to run on Ryzen. While gaming my i7-7700K is clearly the better choice, but it stands no chance while encoding.

IŽd recommend the x1700 over the x1800. The price gap is too big for the little more performance I think.
And I strongly recommend x370 boards if you have plans for many m.2 SSDs aka Top speed storage.
Well... I guess you missed my point completely. Maybe you should re-read my post. Yes, his i7 should be significantly faster than the FX8350. But, based on his post, it isn't. So the point is: he may have some other issue if it's taking that long to do a disc.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 00:04   #25805  |  Link
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naah....just a vocabulary error on my side. Sorry for that.
"inferior" is worse not better

7 hours is really a long run...I guess he is using some extreme settings with a doubtful result as I find.
Using the preset with maximum quality in BD Rebuilder should be the way to go for him.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 07:34   #25806  |  Link
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I would very much appreciate suggestions on what settings I should be using to speed up (without noticeable loss of quality) the processing time of BD movies. I also have licence for dgdecnv2052 and Nvidia card if that helps. Less than a year ago it would take approx 3.5 hours to process a movie with two pass, Highest Quality, but after the changes in x264 it now takes much, much longer. Should I be installing LAV Directshow Filters, FFDSHOW or Haali Matroska Splitter and how to setup BD-RB to reduce the encoding times?
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Old 22nd March 2017, 13:53   #25807  |  Link
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I would very much appreciate suggestions on what settings I should be using to speed up (without noticeable loss of quality) the processing time of BD movies. I also have licence for dgdecnv2052 and Nvidia card if that helps. Less than a year ago it would take approx 3.5 hours to process a movie with two pass, Highest Quality, but after the changes in x264 it now takes much, much longer. Should I be installing LAV Directshow Filters, FFDSHOW or Haali Matroska Splitter and how to setup BD-RB to reduce the encoding times?
I would suggest you install LAV filters (see the first post of this thread), and then simply select "DirectshowSource" from the SETUP menu.
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Old 29th March 2017, 08:19   #25808  |  Link
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Is there an alternative way in BD-RB to make 3D full-backups (output is BD-25, keeping 3D content as 3D, 2D content as 2D on the same disc) compared to Frim Encoder?

Is it possible to make full 3D-backups in e.g. half-sbs, full-sbs formats as well?

I would like to start to archive my 3D BDs as well with the "best possible quality".
Is the "only" current solution to use Frim Encoder with 1-pass ABR?

Thank you for an answer in advance.

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Old 3rd April 2017, 21:31   #25809  |  Link
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Don't know if this constitutes a "Bug" or not but I am having a hard time getting BD Rebuilder to allow blanking of quite a few extras on the Fantastic Beasts blue ray. I have tried to change the min m2ts size setting and there is still a load of m2ts files not listed in FULL or EDIT mode. Is this just a limitation of how many items can be listed or are they hidden from BD Rebuilder's processing somehow? Thanks again jdobbs for the most excellent BD Rebuilder program, I only wish other video editing programs were designed to be as simple to use as this one.
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Old 4th April 2017, 09:09   #25810  |  Link
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Is there an alternative way in BD-RB to make 3D full-backups (output is BD-25, keeping 3D content as 3D, 2D content as 2D on the same disc) compared to Frim Encoder?

Is it possible to make full 3D-backups in e.g. half-sbs, full-sbs formats as well?

I would like to start to archive my 3D BDs as well with the "best possible quality".
Is the "only" current solution to use Frim Encoder with 1-pass ABR?

Thank you for an answer in advance.
Similar has been discussed a while ago. Summarizing -- as far as I remember:
- SBS (full or half) is limited to movie-only backups
- Full 3D backup with BD-RB requires FRIM
- There is no free 3D MVC alternative to FRIM

Edit:
I found the last post of this discussion. You may want to trace the full discussion backwards from there.
I have been asking about full disk 3D backups SBS.
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...ostcount=25538

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Old 4th April 2017, 13:46   #25811  |  Link
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Yeah. I wasn't positive, but looked at it, and it doesn't do SBS full backups right now. I'm going to go back and see how hard it would be to make the changes... but no promises. In order to do that, it will have to appear like a 2D disc that just happens to have half SBS or half O/U where the 3D features used to be.
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Old 4th April 2017, 21:42   #25812  |  Link
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I would very much appreciate suggestions on what settings I should be using to speed up (without noticeable loss of quality) the processing time of BD movies. I also have licence for dgdecnv2052 and Nvidia card if that helps. Less than a year ago it would take approx 3.5 hours to process a movie with two pass, Highest Quality, but after the changes in x264 it now takes much, much longer. Should I be installing LAV Directshow Filters, FFDSHOW or Haali Matroska Splitter and how to setup BD-RB to reduce the encoding times?
If you want to... take a look at this thread -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173601 my INI file is posted there, and some times from tests I ran (with both my old PC and after upgrades)... try those settings to see if it speeds things up. If you have the same exact blurays, you can better compare to the speeds I see.

Granted I'm going for good quality that doesn't take "all night" (i.e. I'm trying to balance video quality and speed), I'm not going for "exact quality" (i.e. I'm not looking for "best quality no matter how long it takes).

Since I setup BD-Rebuilder long ago, I followed the OP exactly. At that time for step 2, only step 2B was available. When 2A & 2C was added, I did that. And I usually have set as DGDecNV for Frame Serving (since i donated and have a license)
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Old 4th April 2017, 22:41   #25813  |  Link
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@Sharc and jdobbs

I think I will start to make some tests on a BD-25 media using the Frim Encoder in BD-RB. In the worst case, hopefully it is enough to
cut down the HD and throw out the unused audio tracks to reach a similar quality level to x264's CRF~18-20. I am very satisfied with the results of x264 but don't know Frim at all.
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Old 5th April 2017, 21:21   #25814  |  Link
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I think you won't be disappointed by the FRIM quality when backing up to a 25GB disc as the bitrate is comfortable.
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Old 5th April 2017, 21:24   #25815  |  Link
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I think you won't be disappointed by the FRIM quality when backing up to a 25GB disc as the bitrate is comfortable.
I agree. It might be different if you're trying to squeeze everything into the size of a DVD -- but at BD-25 bitrates I think it looks great (at least for most discs, there may be a giant one out there somewhere that might be an exception).
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Old 6th April 2017, 21:05   #25816  |  Link
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Boondock Saints fails on HEVC

Boondock Saints works great on x264, fails in hevc. I included all the input files. This is a brand new PC I built, I've only installed bd-rebuilder. My old PC would take 6-10 hours to do a rebuild, this 1 did the x264 in 75 minutes.

alternate:
[00001]
caption=MKV Container, 1920x1080, AutoGOP, Auto-AC3
vBitrate=3000
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=5
vKeyint=Auto
cType=1
[00002]
caption=MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, Auto-AC3
vEncoder=1
vBitrate=2000
vKeyint=Auto
aBitrate=*
aType=0
vFormat=5
cType=1

bdrebuilder.ini:
[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.23
ENCODER=0
MODE=3
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=2
ALTCRF=22
ALT_TARGET=1024
ALT_CRF_TARGET=1024
ALTMETHOD=0
ALTAUTOCROP=0
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=E:\T1\
SOURCE_PATH=C:\DVDRIP\BOONDOCK_SAINTS\

bd-rebuilder.log
[04/06/17] Checking System Settings
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.23
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 104.87GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.6, Ok
- LAVFILTERS: Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[04/06/17] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[04/06/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[12:07:49] Source: BOONDOCK_SAINTS_00001
- Input BD size: 32.94 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:48:21.661]
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, HEVC 1920x1080, Auto-AAC
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[12:07:49] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:07:49] Processing: VID_00115 (1 of 7)
- [12:07:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00115]
- [12:12:02] Reencoding video [VID_00115]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 56,920 frames
- [12:12:02] Reencoding: VID_00115, Pass 1 of 1
[12:12:03] - Failed video encode, aborted

boondocksaints.inf
[Status]
LABEL=BOONDOCK_SAINTS
VERSION=v0.50.23
SOURCE_SIZE=35370577920
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=35370577920
TARGET_SIZE=4686086144
REDUCTION=.132485427707708
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=2
USE_LAVF=0
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=0
DGDECIM=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
FFMS2=0
SSIF_MODE=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=1.5
[00115]
AUDIO=100
PGS=11
APULLDOWN=0
S1440=0
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=1716350997

Thanks for your time & help.
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Old 9th April 2017, 11:51   #25817  |  Link
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Enhancement suggestions:

Both of these apply to the editing of the menu text.

1) Allow the ability to select multiple titles to move. I've run into a situation where time would have been saved if I could have moved more than one title at once.

2) When titles are too long, instead of just removing the text, how about turning those characters red instead. There are times when looking at the titles where I have missed that text had been truncated. By having the text changed to red instead, it tends to catch the eye more than missing text. Plus, by still having the text on the line, when other characters are removed, they will be there so that they can again be used and turned black.

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1) Allow the ability to select multiple titles to move. I've run into a situation where time would have been saved if I could have moved more than one title at once.
I don't understand this request.
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Hi, I have built a dedicated x264 encoding rig, it has a Ryzen 1700, 750gb SSD and 16gb ram, only thing on the machine is Windows 10 and BD-Rebuilder as it will only be used for blu-ray re-encoding.
System is stress tested and with Prime 95 ( 24 hour run ) and OCCT ( 12 hour run ) and is 100% stable when overclocked to 3800GHz and ofcause at stock speed of 3000GHz.

Problem is that I BD-Rebuilder keeps crashing or x264 does and I keep getting a pop up window with this message "x264.exe has stopped working...." , I have now tried installing RipBot to see if this crashes x264 too, but no problems there at all, RipBot have been running for 12 hours straight encoding a lot of blu-ray rips that crashes BD-Rebuilder without crashing, so I tried encoding with BD-Rebuilder again this morning and same problem is still there, I am at a loss, because I have the excact same setup on my "normal" pc except it is an intel processor and it never crashes, even on the same disk ?

Here is the log from BD-Rebuilder:
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[04-09-17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[14:42:53] Source: UPB1_625529
- Input BD size: 32,05 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:18:19.248]
- Target BD size: 22,95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- X264 Tweak(s) enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[14:42:54] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [14:42:54] Processing: VID_00013 (1 of 23)
- [14:42:54] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013]
- [14:42:59] Reencoding video [VID_00013]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 648 frames
- Bitrate: 19.105 Kbs
- [14:42:59] Reencoding: VID_00013, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:43:04] Reencoding: VID_00013, Pass 2 of 2
- [14:43:23] Video Encode complete
- [14:43:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [14:43:23] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:43:27] Processing: VID_00046 (2 of 23)
- [14:43:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00046]
- [14:43:31] Reencoding video [VID_00046]
- [14:43:31] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [14:43:31] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [14:43:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:43:35] Processing: VID_00270 (3 of 23)
- [14:43:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00270]
- [14:43:40] Reencoding video [VID_00270]
- [14:43:40] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [14:43:40] Processing audio tracks
- [14:43:40] Multiplexing M2TS
- [14:43:44] Processing: VID_00301 (4 of 23)
- [14:43:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00301]
- [14:44:55] Reencoding video [VID_00301]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 103.173 frames
- Bitrate: 21.909 Kbs
- [14:44:55] Reencoding: VID_00301, Pass 1 of 2
- Encode failed. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.23
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- Working Path Free Space: 350,12GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.6.0.5, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 4504, Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[14:57:07] - Failed video encode, aborted
I am using x264's internal LAVF for frameserving and the only tweak I have enabled is tune film for BD-Rebuilders second pass, have tried with no tweaks enabled but it still crashes

Have anyone had the same prolem and what did you do to solve it ?

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Your system probably isn't stable. I've seen this a hundred times with people trying other stress tests -- they are meaningless. The only real stress test is X264. Slow down your clock and see if it goes away.

It's also possible it could be an incompatibility with the version of X264 included with BD-RB that is used for X264/LAVF (it's different than the one used for other frame-serving types). Try using DirectshowSource.
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