AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

[SamuriHL]

The madvr custom modes has been broken for a LONG time now. If you want to do custom you need to use CRU.

[*MidnightWatcher*]

Performance in 12-bit now with the new drivers is the same as the previous drivers in 8-bit. Only one frame repeated on average during a movie, which is not perfect but pretty close.

[Calvi]

New driver works as good as 442.92 for me.
Zoomplayer osd does not drop out of HDR, same as above.
HDR works perfectly in full screen windowed MadVR/ZP.
And 23 gives me a dropped frame every 1-4 hours which is not perfect but close enough for me.
Will keep these drivers for a while.

[jmone]

Yeah - I spend the better part of this arvo trying to get to 0 dropped / repeated frames (CRU) but could not do better than what the new driver does out of the box, so I'm calling it a day on this (well for now anyway).

[NikosD]

RTX ray tracing is still a bonus feature even after two years of its introduction and not a different, more realistic way to render games.
Only a few games adopted the idea and even fewer added the whole package and not just one or two.
The owners of RTX 20 series Turning cards paid a lot for this hype following the "Just buy it" order of Tom's Hardware and nVidia fan boys.
The new 2nd gen RT cores and the new 3rd gen Tensor cores of Ampere cards don't help so much.
The difference of RTX OFF to RTX ON of Ampere and Turing is less than 10%, so you almost get the same performance drop for these two generations.
No, Ampere generation doesn't have the x2 performance gain compared to Turing for RTX that nVidia says.
It's actually ~10%.
Unfortunately the DLSS performance gain of 3rd gen Tensor cores of Ampere vs 2nd gen Tensor cores of Turning is even worse.
Almost not difference at all.
So no.
Ampere is not a game changer for RTX and DLSS features and that's why nVidia didn't sell these features for its hype.

[Klaus1189]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SO2b_VIOXI

[SamuriHL]

Ray tracing was never going to take off until consoles make it a commodity. Which is what we have now. Most new games coming in the next few years will now support it by default. Having seen what it can do with my own eyes on my 2080 I'm quite excited for this future. Even amd figured out they needed to support it. We'll see how well they did with performance.

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[QBhd]

AMD was always going to support it, it has been part of their "roadmap" for years... they just didn't rush it and try and gouge the consumer by promoting it early as a selling point and a must have technology. Saying AMD "figured out they needed to support it" is a little misleading and makes it sound like they are scrambling to copy NVidia. Don't forget who is working closely with MS/Sony on these consoles, it's AMD; so they have known for years that RT will be in demand for the future. RDNA2 was always going to be where AMD started with RT, and I am glad they did not panic and push it forward in the 5700XT.

QB

[NikosD]

The first leaked gaming review of 3090 is out and it is very, very bad for the flagship card.
The 3090 of 1500$ card is only 5% to 11% faster at 4K than 3080 the 700$ card which is worse than 20% that I speculated here.
The price to performance ratio compared to 3080 could be one of the worse ever for flagship cards.
That's why the objective tech journalists have already started to compare it with 2080 Ti and Titan RTX.

[videoh]

Not everyone interested in these high-end cards is a pimply gamer living in mom's basement. I haven't played a game in decades but still find the cards incredibly useful.

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by QBhd

AMD was always going to support it, it has been part of their "roadmap" for years... they just didn't rush it and try and gouge the consumer by promoting it early as a selling point and a must have technology. Saying AMD "figured out they needed to support it" is a little misleading and makes it sound like they are scrambling to copy NVidia. Don't forget who is working closely with MS/Sony on these consoles, it's AMD; so they have known for years that RT will be in demand for the future. RDNA2 was always going to be where AMD started with RT, and I am glad they did not panic and push it forward in the 5700XT.

QB

That's not quite what I meant. I wasn't implying they all of a sudden threw it in there last minute. I simply meant that they've yet to compete at the high end for a very long time and even they know that ray tracing is the next evolution. This has been talked about for 20 years but the tech wasn't powerful enough to go there until now. This is the very beginning of a new era. It's exciting to see these new cards and consoles support it but there's a long way to go here. Nvidia kind of blew any advantage they may have had with 2 years of Turing but there was no way they could drive an entire gaming industry in their own with over priced cards. Now the playing field is level and we'll see if amd can capitalize.

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[chros]

Originally Posted by VBB

Definitely. BTW, now that I'm thinking about using PC mode again, has anyone ever had an issue with the lack of 5:5 pull down, since Real Cinema is permanently OFF?

No issues with frame rate matched content. But you won't like PC mode, no matter what output you set. Even ycbcr 4:4:4 8bit has posterization with this sample, although half of the issues are gone that are present with rgb 12 bit.

[VBB]

chros, see what I just posted over in the OLED thread here, and let me know if you agree with my findings after you test it. Curious to hear what you guys think.

And I agree after having watched a bunch of stuff, the lack of Real Cinema in PC mode is not noticeable.

[jmone]

I wonder if they have plans for a GTX 1660Ti style of card this round (SANS ray tracing and hence at a cheaper price point)? For me the GTX 1660Ti's are a great price point for madVR.

[ryrynz]

I would very much expect so. Could be unlikely next generation though.

[*MidnightWatcher*]

I picked up a used 2070S recently for $300. Very satisfied with its performance over my 1060. I think there comes a point when diminishing returns don't justify spending more on faster cards that have virtually no visible picture quality improvements with madVR and slighter higher settings. For those looking to upgrade a lower end card for madVR, buy a used 20 series and use the money saved for something else.

[chros]

Originally Posted by *MidnightWatcher*

use the money saved for something else.

Good idea! That's why I won't replace my 1060 until it's absolutely necessary
Enjoy your new card!

[NikosD]

After reading a few custom 3080 card reviews and the leaked review gaming numbers of 3090, the picture is clear now.

Cards based on the same die of GA102 have all similar performance, no matter what.
Even 3090 is in the same ballpark and custom 3080 cards have almost no added performance to 3080 FE.
The 3080 FE cards are already pushed to their limits, they work on maximum performance.
I expect the same for 3090 custom cards.
So, nVidia is not just afraid.
They are terrified.
They are all in for the Ultimate Play against AMD GPUs.
Maybe now is the time for AMD.
They could have come so close to nVidia, probably closer than the last decade.
The next 40 days look too far away like leaks regarding Big Navi performance.
One of the best kept secrets of the industry and most anticipated ones.
They haven't said "poor Volta" or something similar this time, let's hope they are serious.
They way they handle things this time could bring a lot of frustration if RDNA2 is not competitive with Ampere.
More than ever...

[chros]

If RDNA2 won't be fast enough then they will sell it cheaper and there you go, we got a competitive product It's all about the price.
About nvidia, I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?!

[Klaus1189]

Originally Posted by chros

I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?!

Exactly that is driving me crazy for the past week.

And 10% plus performance of the 3090 over the 3080 for 1500€ vs. 700€ ...