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Old 20th September 2020, 18:39   #1821  |  Link
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After reading a few custom 3080 card reviews and the leaked review gaming numbers of 3090, the picture is clear now.

Cards based on the same die of GA102 have all similar performance, no matter what.
Even 3090 is in the same ballpark and custom 3080 cards have almost no added performance to 3080 FE.
The 3080 FE cards are already pushed to their limits, they work on maximum performance.
I expect the same for 3090 custom cards.
So, nVidia is not just afraid.
They are terrified.
They are all in for the Ultimate Play against AMD GPUs.
Maybe now is the time for AMD.
They could have come so close to nVidia, probably closer than the last decade.
The next 40 days look too far away like leaks regarding Big Navi performance.
One of the best kept secrets of the industry and most anticipated ones.
They haven't said "poor Volta" or something similar this time, let's hope they are serious.
They way they handle things this time could bring a lot of frustration if RDNA2 is not competitive with Ampere.
More than ever...
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Old 20th September 2020, 21:16   #1822  |  Link
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If RDNA2 won't be fast enough then they will sell it cheaper and there you go, we got a competitive product It's all about the price.
About nvidia, I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?!
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I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?!
Exactly that is driving me crazy for the past week.

And 10% plus performance of the 3090 over the 3080 for 1500€ vs. 700€ ...

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I'm not buying a 3090 that's for sure. I want a 3080 founders edition.

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Old 20th September 2020, 22:05   #1825  |  Link
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why would you want one of these terrible founders editions...
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Old 20th September 2020, 22:23   #1826  |  Link
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Its all about available price, genuine features and stable performance, not gimmicks, marketing tricks and manufactured hype.
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Old 21st September 2020, 02:25   #1827  |  Link
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Cause I don't think they're terrible. The new cooler design is effective and performance seems to be slightly above some of the tested AIB cards so far. I have a 2070 FE that I love.
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Old 21st September 2020, 09:15   #1828  |  Link
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so a cheaper card that has massively lower temps and notable lower rpm on the better cooler is not clearly better?

it'S normal for the memory to reach 104 on a 3080 FE... that 6 missing for thermal throttling while even early tested cheap AIB are at 60-70.

the 2000 series was worse you pay 100 extra for a relative bad cool and pretty much no chance to re paste the card because the construction is terrible.

there are some good niche things about them. it's easy to get a water block and the VRM are never bad for extreme over clocking. but that's it the cooler performance is underwhelming the price is a joke and the construction an insult.
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The FE with its industrial design looked good at first, and its still the best FE NVIDIA ever made, but at least the better AIB cards beat it by a rather large margin still both on temps and noise. Not sure about entry-level AIB cards.
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asus tuf was tested and it has a MSRP at 700 (not that it means anything at the moment sadly) and it was better at pretty much every metric sometimes by quite a margin. the VRM are technically worse but that doesn't matter if you are not going to like sub zero overclocking which was for obvious reason not tested (FE could win there).
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The asus cards are on my list. Right now availability is what matters most to me. But I'm seriously considering the tuf of tuf oc if I can find one. I could end up with a zotac for all I know. Lol

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1 Repeated Frame in 2hrs of playback (Decoding Audio and Running JRivers "Video Clock") [...] historically, Video Clock would give me 0 Dropped/Repeated frames. Maybe JRiver Video Clock needs a tweak to work a bit better with this new driver???
I don't own JRiver so can't tell, but I'm using ReClock which works on the same principle, and if I install a new driver that changes the display mode timings I have to clear ReClock's timings database so it can re-learn the clock timings of the new driver. If I don't do that it doesn't sync correctly. Maybe JRiver needs something similar.
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About nvidia, I'm still shocked about the >=320W power consumption. What will happen 2 years later?!
I'm not shocked, they used the biggest die usually reserved for the TITAN, they're just selling it to more reasonable price. In the past that spot in the portfolio was taken by the dual GPU cards that were sold for about the same price and had 300+ TDPs too. The better (i.e. liquid) cooled version of Vega 64 was 345W.
It's not ideal, but nothing we've not already seen. (Edit: now, of course the problem NVIDIA possibly has is performance/watt, the reviews of the 3070 will be interesting)
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Well, the previous 3 gen Titans (Maxwell, Pascal, Turimg) were 250W this is 80W more, that's huge! And the 3080 corresponds to the xx80Ti that have even less W.
I don't think that the 3070 will be weak, these cards are beasts
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thanks for the 23p reports i had to two times purge the driver to get it working correctly on my system again. this should maybe be remembered so a user with bad "timing" can try to DDU to fix this.

at the second try i used the none DCH driver.

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