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[SamuriHL]

There's really no need to take offense just because we're having a little fun with nVidia. It's clear even they can screw up. It is what it is and sometime next year we'll be able to actually find cards. Until then, I think they deserve a verbal lashing for this. Their claim of "oh, WOW, we didn't realize that releasing these cards at a decent price with so much performance would really have such high demand" is rather ludicrous would you not agree? In the end all we can do is wait. And maybe this has opened a door for AMD...and maybe not. We will see once they launch.

[videoh]

You invent words and put them in their mouth, call it ludicrous, and then ask if I agree. What a silly game you are playing.

[huhn]

so ok. what we heard is that supply was present not the highest ever supply and clearly not the lowest ever supply. so they tried a normal launch and failed miserable. to bad looks like they can print money now by producing as many as possible.

7nm rumour...
TSMC 7 nm is currently used for the consoles those things that are sold out before the release. there are different 7nm nodes so that a thing but still demand is heavy for now.
does this mean there will be no 7 nm ampare GPU?

so how do you produce more smasung "nvidia" 8nm GPUs you can not really do that it takes years to build a new fab the current one has to do.
but you could for examples make the new smaller GPU with a different node like let's say 7nm TSMC? by hoping it's demand get'S lower thanks to 5nm for smartphones. which could happen in 3-6 month but unlikely in the next months. a super card is possible to but that may stop customer form buy Samsung 8 nm cards and you don't want that yet.

[SamuriHL]

Omg uh yeah totally just made it up. Lol

said Huang, "The demand issue is that it is much much greater than we expected - and we expected really a lot."

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[SamuriHL]

I don't think that they will have a problem selling 8nm samsung chips if they can get them out the door. I think you are quite correct that the supply is going to be very low until February or March next year. I don't see them switching to 7nm tmsc until the super refresh but that's only an opinion. No one really knows for sure what they plan at the moment. Even the rumors get rumors now. Lol

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[huhn]

they could stop/not start making mid to low end GPU using smasung so they can make more GA102/GA104.

[SamuriHL]

That's an interesting thought. Switch the 3090 and 3080 to 7nm, potentially increasing the oc potential a little bit in the process, and save the samsung 8nm for lower tier gpus. Hmm I could totally see that.

Edit or are you saying the reverse? Keep the high end on samsung and do lower tier on tsmc?

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[huhn]

low end on TSMC to not confuse the customer.
you can release the lower end cards later and just keep pushing GA102/104 for now.

[SamuriHL]

That makes sense and would allow them greater yields in theory by spitting it between two factories. I like that idea. Maybe that'll become reality.

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[NikosD]

nVidia is the new Intel.

And you all know the reason for this mess.

It's only three letters...

[pirlouy]

ARM indeed.

[NikosD]

Exactly...AMD is ARMed more than ever for both of them.

An unforgettable Red October.

BTW, nVidia is not going to close the deal with ARM. Ever.

[Cineaste]

Do they only sell AMD in Greece? And what's with Red October? So dramatic...

[videoh]

AMD is team red and nVidia is team green. Nothing wrong with a little drama, IMHO.

[NikosD]

AMD is the number one company in sales regarding CPUs in Germany.

Take a look for example at the sales of mindfactory.de.

But in general the DIY market/ community belongs to AMD regarding CPUs, take a look of the best sellers CPUs at amazon.com.

Before the end of this year, AMD is going to get a huge sales boost regarding GPUs as well, probably as the best seller products like CPUs.

[Cineaste]

I'm German.

What you said had me intrigued so I did some research and found this:

https://de.statista.com/statistik/da...-quartal-2010/

As you can see, Nvidia vs AMD market share in Q1 2020 was 78% vs 22% (GPU only). For AMD to become the new bestseller they have a LONG way to go. In fact, they haven't been close since 2010...

Disclaimer: My favourite colour is red so no bias there!

[NikosD]

What you said intrigued me to find some relative comment

Today looks like a rainy day in Berlin but the next few days is going to be with clouds but no rain probably

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/germany/berlin/ext

[huhn]

DIY is only a small part of the PC industry up to this day intel has problems meeting demand they sell this well and they lost production thanks to there on going problems with 10 nm.

it's just biased reporting. the laptop market is heavily intel dominated too the relative bad AMD iGPU clearly don't help they still use vega...


this show a heavy trend in getting AMD instead of intel for gaming: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

you are usually totally fine with 4 year old CPU in the game space this takes quite some time to change even more drastically.

[NikosD]

Laptop and server market is OEM market where Intel bribes heavily people in decision making positions.

Intel has a huge budget for bribing revealed in a slide of their presentation as marketing budget.

Vega GPUs are totally fine for laptop APUs and have nothing to do with laptop sales.

After Renoir CPU for laptops, AMD has increased their sales dramatically even in this sector.

Server market is more difficult, but after Milan Zen 3 based CPUs, AMD could finally overcome 10% that had with Rome Zen 2 based server CPUs.

https://phonemantra.com/intel-pays-p...md-processors/

[Cineaste]

Originally Posted by NikosD

Laptop and server market is OEM market where Intel bribes heavily people in decision making positions.

Where is your evidence? Do you know someone in a position-making position who was bribed? No?

Moving on.