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17th December 2019, 11:32 | #461 | Link |
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it's simple math you can't put 24 frames in 60.
and i can just repeat my self yet again sonys can do 4:4:4 even with frame interpolation so you can get 44.4: and ruin your image at the same time. this shouldn't be something special PC screen can do that too. |
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just ask rtings.
the 120 hz thing could be huge on the C9. at least madshi likes the idea of native 120 hz. he talked about madVR site adaptive BFI many years ago. LG are well know to handle HDR sub optimal the panasonic is better there but has pretty much the same price as the sony. the sony is also known to handle banding better something the LG is not great at but i have my disbelieves in the sony too. the 55 are usually a lot more price for the sonys in the 65 range they are not that far apart. sonys are far from perfect to not having HDMI 2.1 for that price is a disgrace and i wouldn't be shocked if the next years model doesn't have it too. VVR support which is most likely something you are not interested in is something sony totally ignored. but custom 96 hz BFI is possibile with it |
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I have had that TV since 2016 , always had HDR (w/4K) via HDMI
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Would you be willing to confirm that with your C9?
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HDR or SDR? Both?
Dithering on or off?
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Both.
Dithering on because that's what we use in real life. I get the whole wanting to test without dithering to see how badly screwed up the panels are, but, we know they're messed up. So you could test with both I suppose but ultimately the most useful is with it on.
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I have a C9 connected to RTX 2060. It seems the Nvidia control panel is stuck to 8bit @ 2160p. Is this a limitation of the GPU? Or maybe there's a better setting that would allow greater than 8bit settings?
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Definitely test both SDR and HDR with both dithering off and on. Dithering will mask the worst banding, but why wouldn't you want to see what looks best before turning dithering back on? I did not come across a mode where dithering made it look better than another mode which already looked better without dithering? Does that makes sense?
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@Magik Mark - At 60Hz, your choices for greater than 8-bit are limited to YCbCr 4:2:2 10-bit/12-bit or YCbCr 4:2:0 12-bit. At lower frequencies, you can also use YCbCr 4:4:4 or RGB 12-bit.
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Can Nvidia support this through software upgrade on its GPUs? 2060 Perhaps?
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That's not very likely and I'm not entirely sure it's even possible. Quite a few people (cough cough nevcariel LOL) are waiting for HDMI 2.1 cards before they even consider upgrading. Envy is said to be getting a hardware upgrade when 2.1 cards are available (it's based on the RTX 2080TI I believe). So, it's very unlikely that the current cards will be HDMI 2.1 upgradable in any real way.
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They can only offer new software features like HDMI VRR, or back in the day they added 4:2:0 support to HDMI 1.4 cards, but anything that requires a higher bandwidth will require new hardware.
Hopefully 2020 is the year of HDMI 2.1
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Doesn't work all the time (E.g. they state that LG can do proper 4:4:4, not mentioning any pixel "artifacts".) Quote:
Sony has other issues as well, just watch Vincent's recent comparison.
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It seems that C8 was already able to do 120Hz FI: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c8-oled BFI calls for much faster refresh rates AFAIK so this is kind of a moot point I think. So basically the diff between B & C is a better upscaling engine? Kinda pointless with mVR? So what's an OLED that does 444 w/ postprocessing please? Hopefully from 2018 so I can get it on sales |
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These kind of pixel artifacts are the result of the panel, not the processing chip that is responsible for processing chroma. Turning off PC mode does not make them go away. These artifacts are not chroma subsampling artifacts. They are simply unrelated to chroma sampling. Really, why are these connected in your mind?
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