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Old 27th July 2018, 00:23   #51841  |  Link
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No, but your GPU has to support 10 bit and enough bandwidth for the resolution and refresh rate. HDR does not enter into it.
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Old 27th July 2018, 01:46   #51842  |  Link
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madshi, can smooth motion be further improved to retain sharpness like the original frame? Thanks.
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Old 27th July 2018, 08:00   #51843  |  Link
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Only via some motion interpolation (in which case just use your TV, apparently Sony is the best in this area) I did suggest the idea of sharpening only the blended frames some years back to madshi to combat this, but I guess it wasn't that great an idea.
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Old 27th July 2018, 08:13   #51844  |  Link
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frame interpolation is far less sharp because the main idea behind it is creating blurred frames in motion to hide artifacts
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Old 27th July 2018, 08:38   #51845  |  Link
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madshi, can smooth motion be further improved to retain sharpness like the original frame? Thanks.
Yes, with the new madshi's algo and two or three nvidia 1180 GTX.
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Old 27th July 2018, 08:40   #51846  |  Link
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A question about refresh rate since I'm always using custom resolution with 72hz, if I install windows 8.1 some day, do I need to enable this option in madvr - "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work"?
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Old 27th July 2018, 13:09   #51847  |  Link
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frame interpolation is far less sharp because the main idea behind it is creating blurred frames in motion to hide artifacts
Not overall less sharp, this is why you get Soap Opera effects. Blending is far more soft in practice, I can quite clearly see this enabling Smooth motion vs enabling Frame Creation on my TV.
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Old 27th July 2018, 15:47   #51848  |  Link
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A question about refresh rate since I'm always using custom resolution with 72hz, if I install windows 8.1 some day, do I need to enable this option in madvr - "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work"?
And how to know if it's needed?
I am always using 60Hz as I use smooth motion.
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Old 27th July 2018, 16:20   #51849  |  Link
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Yes, with the new madshi's algo and two or three nvidia 1180 GTX.


The sharpness difference isn't devastating. If the original frame is 5/5, then smooth motion is 4/5. Thought it might be something to think about if smooth motion is improved.
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Old 27th July 2018, 17:26   #51850  |  Link
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I have W10 build 17134 with i7-7700 integrated Intel HD630 on a Asrock mini-itx.
I also did a 3d-LUT with displayCal with MadVR.
I get random crashes with BlueScreen (first screen freezes, then becomes black, then audio get crazy, then BOD) when playing video with madVR enabled, using MPC-HC or Potplayer. When I disable madVR, i.e. with EVR all is fine.
BOD Error VIDEO_SCHEDULER_INTERNAL_ERROR
Can pass also 10 days with no crash, but sooner or later...
Generally I get the crash when scrolling the wheel to jump forward or backward.
What can I do to solve this?
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Old 27th July 2018, 17:42   #51851  |  Link
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That sounds like a hardware issue, maybe overheating?

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A question about refresh rate since I'm always using custom resolution with 72hz, if I install windows 8.1 some day, do I need to enable this option in madvr - "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work"?
You only need to enable that if you get 59.940 or 23.976 Hz when you ask for 60.000 or 24.000 Hz.
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I thought of overheating, but I don't think: without madVR I get no crash at all with the same room temp for weeks.
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Old 27th July 2018, 18:03   #51853  |  Link
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That sounds like a hardware issue, maybe overheating?



You only need to enable that if you get 59.940 or 23.976 Hz when you ask for 60.000 or 24.000 Hz.
Thank you for the info, sir.
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Not overall less sharp, this is why you get Soap Opera effects. Blending is far more soft in practice, I can quite clearly see this enabling Smooth motion vs enabling Frame Creation on my TV.
not here to talk about what you see but how it works.

motion interpoalted frames are blurry and this is less sharp and motion interpolations are blending frames all the time too if they simply can't guess more presicely. while smoothmotion creats ghosting frames which are more or less visibile depending on how fast your screen is. if you have a very slow VA panel it is not much different from normal playback without over driving the not much different part has to be taking with a lot of salt.

the deal changer is the refreshrate blending a frame to a 120 HZ screen or to a 60 HZ is vastly different most motion interpolationals do this at 120 HZ. smoothmaotionat 120 Hz is so good it is not worth disabling.

changing the bblended frame make it mathematical incorrect.
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Not overall less sharp, this is why you get Soap Opera effects. Blending is far more soft in practice, I can quite clearly see this enabling Smooth motion vs enabling Frame Creation on my TV.


I’m using it with anime content only. It gets rid of the poor motion of some 24p content without adding the soap opera effect. Soap opera effect would not be an issue with those content though. I don’t really understand why I don’t like anime content at 24p but I’m fine with movies. I don’t know if those shows are really « rendered » with 24 different frames per second.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:24   #51856  |  Link
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I thought of overheating, but I don't think: without madVR I get no crash at all with the same room temp for weeks.
madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:28   #51857  |  Link
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Movies have motion blur captured by the camera and anime doesn't.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:43   #51858  |  Link
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madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
Hi Ver, I tested with GPU-Z:
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1080p     49° avg   57%GPU  52°CPUmax   
2160p     52° avg   80%GPU  59°CPUmax
So, I would exclude a problem in T°, all seems quite normal even at 4k.

More, I'm sure I got a BOD playing a SD 720x480 video one time...


EDIT:
In EVR I get 43° instead of 49°, so not so much difference, of course mad is more GPU intensive but not uncontrollable in my system.

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madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
Oh so that was whar I was hearing here.
I could this whinning when trying different pixel clocks here.

It stopped after a while.
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Old 27th July 2018, 21:39   #51860  |  Link
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I tested with GPU-Z:
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1080p     49° avg   57%GPU  52°CPUmax   
2160p     52° avg   80%GPU  59°CPUmax
Those are really low temps for a GPU at 80% load, do you have aftermarket cooling or a model with extreme cooling? I notice you quote CPU max temps, which seem like max values you might expect given those average temps. Are you sure those are your GPU temps?

How about other GPU heavy loads, maybe Heaven?
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