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Old 10th September 2019, 11:53   #57341  |  Link
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AMD cards still support frame packed 3D, what support are you referring to?
hmmm ... i distinctly remember searching if AMD still supported HD3D after NVidia ditch 3D Vision from newer drivers ... was going to jump camps from NVidia to AMD just for this

read somewhere that HD3D was no more included in AMD latest drivers and gave up ... and lock my 1070 on last driver that supported 3D Vision

for the love of god ... cannot find where i read it from ... so my apologies if i was wrong ... AMD boys and girls can confirm if latest AMD drivers support HD3D as i have no AMD GPU (if it does ... then next upgrade for GPU will be AMD for me)

While Over/Under trick is nice to have in case all GPU drop 3D ... i i still prefer outputting 3D in framepack as switching between viewing 3D and 2D is nice and easy

PS. Does hd3d works straight away with madVR ... read somewhere that needs 3rd party software to actually use HD3D ... TriDef seems to be preference for AMD users ... but TriDef seems out of buesiness ... any other alternative to TriDef ... will be no good if I buy AMD with HD3D but then cannot use it

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Old 10th September 2019, 12:10   #57342  |  Link
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because 3DHD is pretty much dead it was never alive.
but madVR uses the OS 3D API not some middle ware stuff so 3D on AMD just works for now.

3D on nvidia still works BTW. but will clearly not going to run after this try to make it work in madVR i leave that to user of 3D.
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Old 10th September 2019, 17:43   #57343  |  Link
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Hello everyone, I'm looking for your thoughts on this scenario.

CPU: FX-8350
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1866 CL 7
GPU: R9 270X 2GB
No hardware decoding
HDMI 1.3 output

In your expert opinions, Is it possible to play 4K HDR Bluray remux using madVR?

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Old 10th September 2019, 20:42   #57344  |  Link
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HDR tone mapping would push the GPU to its limits, but it's doable with 'scale chroma separately to save performance' enabled. You'll probably have to set conservative queue sizes to stay under the 2 GB VRAM limit.

You can test the decoding with this: http://jell.yfish.us/ Use the 120-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit.mkv
Mind you, UHD Blu-rays don't reach such high average bitrates, it's a worst case test with max bitrate.
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Old 10th September 2019, 21:49   #57345  |  Link
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Hi, in fact I get no video (just a black screen, audio not affected) with madvr after that update (KB4512941), uninstalling it and blocking the update solved the problem.

Have this behaviour been reported by others?
Same problem. Same solution.
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Old 10th September 2019, 23:41   #57346  |  Link
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HDR tone mapping would push the GPU to its limits, but it's doable with 'scale chroma separately to save performance' enabled. You'll probably have to set conservative queue sizes to stay under the 2 GB VRAM limit.

You can test the decoding with this: http://jell.yfish.us/ Use the 120-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit.mkv
Mind you, UHD Blu-rays don't reach such high average bitrates, it's a worst case test with max bitrate.
Interesting thoughts... I'll explain why I want thoughts on this setup once I get more thoughts from you guys... Basically I want to see if my pre-conceptions match all of yours and solve a riddle that has been bugging me for weeks now

Sorry to be coy, but I don't want to pollute everyone's opinions.

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Old 11th September 2019, 10:52   #57347  |  Link
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looks like the 5700 XT is doing fantastic for NGU.
NGU very high 23 ms for doubling while idling at 350-1400 mhz
50-250 watt so don't take these number seriously.

i do a better test later.

edit:
asmodians 240 hz test doesn't work properly it is batch dropping and the video freezes for more then a sec.
i got ~21000 when the driver didn't crash.

the card can do
NGU aa very high chroma
image doubling NGU sharp very high plus chroma mid all together in ~33 ms

and for what ever reason it doesn't like to buffer the display rate is unstable:
https://abload.de/img/rx57000xts1k7t.png

BTW. my version is very loud.
the redeon setting thingy totally bugged out i'm done for now.

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Old 11th September 2019, 11:39   #57348  |  Link
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The 23ms sounds impressive, but the very loud part less so... Unlike an RTX card, at least you don't have to worry about possible stuttering during video playback with the present queue set to anything higher than 1.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:55   #57349  |  Link
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@ Hunn,

Yeah, I'm pairing mine with a Ryzen 7 3700x, and a PCIE 4.0 mobo and 16gig of 3200 hrz DDR4 - will be here all and set up tomorrow.

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Old 11th September 2019, 15:02   #57350  |  Link
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whats the noise like on the 3rd party cards, my RX580 is quite loud when pushed.
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madshi released a bunch of envy information this morning. One of the things he CONFIRMED is that madvr development will not stop, a commercial version of the software will be coming at some point, but a free version will remain. So that's good!
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@ mclingo2 - it's ok, unless you use wattman to auto overclock, but TBH, I have not found a need to overclock.
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Old 11th September 2019, 15:31   #57353  |  Link
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madVR Envy info for those interested:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post58541994
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Interesting thoughts... I'll explain why I want thoughts on this setup once I get more thoughts from you guys... Basically I want to see if my pre-conceptions match all of yours and solve a riddle that has been bugging me for weeks now QB
Out of curiosity I've done a real test on my desktop which has the same GPU overclocked to 1150 MHz (what pretty much any Pitcairn can do) and an i5-4690K. I'm afraid I was a little optimistic: when outputting 1080 with 'scale chroma separately', I can play a UHD Blu-ray test clip with SSIM 2D downscale but only if I measure the HDR beforehand, and even then the render queue sometimes drop to low numbers and I'm not sure it wouldn't drop frames at some point, although the GPU strangely never goes above 65% load. Using Bicubic 150 is much safer. With the live HDR algo however it's too much and the GPU cannot cope. (Edit: I forgot to point out that I'm using HDR highlight recovery, which uses a lot of rendering power)
Also the decoding is quite taxing on my quad-core Haswell. The problem would be very high bitrate scenes, but this can be compensated with a longer decoding queue.

You can test with this if you want: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-x...XO5SzAwL3WvfSS
It's a looping clip from the menu of The Great Wall, 61 Mbps average video bitrate.
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Hi everyone, I want to ask for a 60Hz monitor which can run on 42-74Hz refresh rate, which of the following setting is the best when playing a 23.976fps video?

1. 60Hz, smooth motion on
2. 74Hz, smooth motion on
3. 47Hz (47.952Hz)
4. 71HZ (71.928Hz)

Thank you.
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Hi everyone, I want to ask for a 60Hz monitor which can run on 42-74Hz refresh rate, which of the following setting is the best when playing a 23.976fps video?

1. 60Hz, smooth motion on
2. 74Hz, smooth motion on
3. 47Hz (47.952Hz)
4. 71HZ (71.928Hz)

Thank you.
I'm for 3. 47Hz (47.952Hz)
4. 71HZ (71.928Hz)
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which of the following setting is the best when playing a 23.976fps video
If you can achieve 47.952 Hz or 71.928 Hz very accurately by using custom resolutions, there´s no need for smoothmotion. There shouldn´t be a greater difference between these two.
So use 3. or 4. Maybe try both and use the one with better accuracy for less frame drops/repeats.
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Old 11th September 2019, 20:14   #57358  |  Link
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whats the noise like on the 3rd party cards, my RX580 is quite loud when pushed.
i have a red devil which is considered to be one of the best. i still consider it loud.
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Old 11th September 2019, 22:11   #57359  |  Link
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madVR Envy info for those interested:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post58541994
I'm honestly baffled at the idea that they intend to launch without HDMI 2.1.
Edit: didn't see the prices. LOL? I mean I wish madshi ALL the success possible on this Earth but Envy is priced completely beyond anything even remotely plausible for me. I am in no way complaining about the price.

It's good that madVR will stay in active development. And everything points to madVR making use of the ray tracing cores (or tensor cores) in the RTX line of cards (I don't see where else those "100 TFLOPS for AI / Neural Network" could be coming from).

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I can't afford an Envy at the moment, but, I am VERY curious to see what a commercial version of madvr looks like. Plus will we get the algorithms he's currently working on for the Envy? I think it would be plausible for madvr on the HTPC being used as the "test bed" for new features being brought to the Envy. THAT would be beneficial all around.
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