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Old 1st March 2018, 20:26   #21  |  Link
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I just tried Handbrake. No problem with settings like:

Filters Tab:
Detelecine: off
Deinterlace: yadif
others leave at default

Video Tab:
Framerate 29.97
Constant Framerate

You will get a deinterlace video without combes.
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Yadif, guess I need a new version HandBrake, cheers for that.
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As for Yadif: There surely are worse deinterlacers, so it's quite okay for "quick and dirty" deinterlacing, but it doesn't get anywhere close to QTGMC
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Yadif, guess I need a new version HandBrake, cheers for that.
Actually, my version HB was already v0.9.9-1, which was last for WinXP, current is v1.0.7, ie VISTA+ [EDIT: With SP2].

EDIT: HandBrake on VideoHelp:- https://www.videohelp.com/software/HandBrake
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As for Yadif: There surely are worse deinterlacers, so it's quite okay for "quick and dirty" deinterlacing, but it doesn't get anywhere close to QTGMC
True, but (some) people may have problems with making QTGMC working....
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In actual fact, Yadif mode was present in 2014, so maybe version I have is updated compared to Sharc's version.
I'm guessin that Slower is maybe QTGMC, but cannot find working manual as yet, site is down.

EDIT: Current docs seem to be incomplete:-
https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/...s-summary.html

EDIT: There are several HandBrake alternatives (GUI's which use the CLI version of HandBrake), eg EasyBrake,and VidCoder.

EDIT: HandBrake Forum:- https://forum.handbrake.fr/
EDIT: Suggest search on above forum, with eg "Deinterlace,Slower" or whatever valid options are available in your version HandBrake,
eg "Deinterlace,Yadif" for old version about 2014. Forum seems quite active.
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The title of this thread says that the OP wants to "Archive" these DVDs. Being able to deinterlace the footage using the best possible methods is nice, but it has absolutely nothing to do with "Archiving".

As Ghitulescu pointed out, for "archiving" the original DVDs should not be processed in any way. Do not filter, do not resize, do not reencode to a different format. If the DVD has extras and menus then just make an ISO out of it (ImgBurn is one of the many tools for this). If there is only the main movie without extras and menus then you can use MakeMKV to repack the title into an MKV container (this will keep the chapter points and subs).


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I guess that it depends upon your definition of archive.
To a video processing specialist, it may well mean as you describe,
to more normal people (not that video specialists aren't normal), it might just mean store
for posterity, not necessarily in an exact original unprocessed format.
As OP mentions deinterlacing, it is clearly not the former definition that is intended nor required.
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The title of this thread says that the OP wants to "Archive" these DVDs. Being able to deinterlace the footage using the best possible methods is nice, but it has absolutely nothing to do with "Archiving".

As Ghitulescu pointed out, for "archiving" the original DVDs should not be processed in any way. Do not filter, do not resize, do not reencode to a different format. If the DVD has extras and menus then just make an ISO out of it (ImgBurn is one of the many tools for this). If there is only the main movie without extras and menus then you can use MakeMKV to repack the title into an MKV container (this will keep the chapter points and subs).


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I use MakeMKV for my personal DVD collection, but these need to be compatible with Windows Media player 12 to current version. Also iMac needs to have native support and neither support MKV out of the box. Not sure about High Sierra though. ISO is a nice option but for personal use because I'm computer savvy.

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I just tried Handbrake. No problem with settings like:

Filters Tab:
Detelecine: off
Deinterlace: yadif
others leave at default

Video Tab:
Framerate 29.97
Constant Framerate

You will get a deinterlace video without combes.
Good luck.
I tried this but it didn't work unfortunately.
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I tried this but it didn't work unfortunately.
Strange. Maybe something is broken with your Handbrake installation?
Upload a sample of your encoded video.
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Strange. Maybe something is broken with your Handbrake installation?
Upload a sample of your encoded video.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...86157687997279
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Your encode is correctly deinterlaced except a few frames around frame #220. Strange. Maybe a problem with the deinterlacer or with the source video.
I may do few more tests tomorrow .....
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In Handbrake disable yadif's interlace detection by setting Interlace Detection: OFF.
This will force yadif to deinterlace ALL frames.
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In Handbrake disable yadif's interlace detection by setting Interlace Detection: OFF.
This will force yadif to deinterlace ALL frames.
Awesome! Thanks Sharc!

Now as far is video quality, is ISO the only option that retains all quality? Even using the settings Optimize Video: VerySlow & Quality Constant 16, there is still a noticeable difference. The DVD is more "smoother", and the encoded version has what I would call noise artifacts and a little blurriness in motion.

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Awesome! Thanks Sharc!

Now as far is video quality, is ISO the only option that retains all quality? Even using the settings Optimize Video: VerySlow & Quality Constant 16, there is still a noticeable difference. The DVD is more "smoother", and the encoded version has what I would call noise artifacts and a little blurriness in motion.

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As long as you don't process the video stream, the quality will be preserved. You can repack the video into a different container, as long as you don't touch the video the quality will be kept.
Now you deinterlace and re-encode the video. That means you process it. Therefore you will inevitably affect the quality in some aspect. Deinterlacing for example reduces (halves!) the temporal resolution which can give the impression of lost sharpness and crispiness, in addition to introducing artefacts due to the synthetization of the missing field.
As has been mentioned, there are better deinterlacers than yadif.

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You won't loose temporal resolution when you bob-deinterlace your video, means doubling the framerate
In Handbrake:
Deinterlace: yadif Preset: bob Interlace Detection: Off
Framerate (FPS): 59.94, Constant Framerate

Still, for every frame the missing field will be synthesized (interpolated), hence it is also not free of artifacts

But perhaps you like the result better.

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As long as you don't process the video stream, the quality will be preserved. You can repack the video into a different container, as long as you don't touch the video the quality will be kept.
Now you deinterlace and re-encode the video. That means you process it. Therefore you will inevitably affect the quality in some aspect. Deinterlacing for example reduces (halves!) the temporal resolution which can give the impression of lost sharpness and crispiness, in addition to introducing artefacts due to the synthetization of the missing field.
As has been mentioned, there are better deinterlacers than yadif.

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You won't loose temporal resolution when you bob-deinterlace your video, means doubling the framerate
In Handbrake:
Deinterlace: yadif Preset: bob Interlace Detection: Off
Framerate (FPS): 59.94, Constant Framerate

Still, for every frame the missing field will be synthesized (interpolated), hence it is also not free of artifacts

But perhaps you like the result better.
Thanks! Those presets did improve the video quality. It's probably as good as it will get unless I do ISO.
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