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Old 6th June 2018, 20:15   #1  |  Link
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Computex 2018: AMD TR 32 core CPU , Intel 28 core 5ghz CPU announced

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12906...w-x399-refresh

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12907...u-need-to-know

Looks like Intel lost the core advantage for their x299 platform, but they used some kind of phase change water cooling for it. I imagine it requires a lot of power and cooling to keep 5ghz.

AMD on the other hand looks like they finally got rid of the dummy dies and went nearly full Epyc, besides the PCIE lanes and memory channels. The slide mentions it has the Zen+ improvements which include XFR2 and Precision Boost 2, both have which increased single core performance for Ryzen quite a bit. Works on existing socket.

Only issue still is preventing programs and threads from crossing the glue too much.
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Old 6th June 2018, 20:30   #2  |  Link
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Also there is currently a debate whether or not the Intel 28 core 5ghz is even feasible, there is a good chance they caught wind of the 32 core TR shortly beforehand and panic pushed a demo rig together with hidden chillers just to take some of the hype away from AMD.

Will there be a product to ship?
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Gamer Nexus nicely summed up this fake 5GHz on all 28 cores
https://youtu.be/tRH0-QwhvVQ
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The Anand article is honestly more informative, despite being rushed to production. And it's not fake, it's just a total custom jobbo (even the motherboard!) with unobtanium, to the point that they were able to choose the top five overclockable cpus off the factory line, pair them with a custom mobo and a top-end watercooler.... and still only one could hit it. That really said it all. They say a lot of vague things, hope everyone salivates and builds the product up in their head.

It is an exciting demonstration of the limits of technology, if nothing else.

I just hope nobody actually thinks they'll be able to buy this, save for mortgaging their house to buy this specific box.
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Cinebench (SSE2) test runs on that machine only for few seconds so maintaining 5GHz during that period wasn't that difficult. CPU basically didn't have enough time to warm up
I bet that 28 core @ 5GHz would not survive few hours of encoding in x265 (4k + preset veryslow + AVX2). That 5GHz would most likely drop to base level in couple of minutes
Whole system could even crash with forced AVX-512. Yes. So for me 5GHz on that CPU is fake. Extremely desperate move in reaction to Threadripper 32core.

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This is by far the most explanatory video of what really happened during that "28core 5.0GHz" demo.

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/ozcEel...feature=oembed
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This is by far the most explanatory video of what really happened during that "28core 5.0GHz" demo.

ROFL
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ozcEel...feature=oembed
If posts could be stickied, this would be it.
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http://translate.google.com/translat...25E5%2585%2589

6300 in Cinebench.
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Rumours say that 2990x will start from just 1500 euro! (18 core intel costs almost 2000 euro!)


Looks like we will have affordable video encoding beast

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This is simply suicidal for AMD.

I think it's going to be above 2000$ for the 32C/64T SKU.
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Overclockers have noted that it is unwise to overclock it on a normal motherboard as most vrms of x399 are insufficient beyond stock clocks.

https://youtu.be/aKe7CnZT9ZE

Haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but here's one of their opinions.
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Do you really have to overclock 32 cores??? 3.4 GHz on all cores is enough.
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Well, it seems that official release of The Monster (TR2) is very close, August 13th.

The Beast of 32C/64T will run at 4.0GHz on ALL cores using air-cooling - a huge cooler from Cooler Master and AMD.

It's going to reach more than 6000 running Cinebench.

Intel's response leaked that is going to be announced around October and released on November-December but it's not going to add more cores - up to 18C/36T just with better clocks.

So, with a performance of an overclocked EPYC 32C/64T and without competition from Intel, AMD doesn't really sell TR2 at 1800$

AMD donates TR2 to the people!

https://videocardz.com/77031/amd-ryz...pricing-leaked
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double the price of the 16 core variant so the margin should be the same thanks to AMD glue there is no different in yield. that's how you make money the price is transparent.
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You don't seem to understand the concept.

If it was Intel, the price should be 10000$.

They sell Xeon 28C/56T at that price.
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32 cores for $1800, and more lanes than Intel, another game changer.
AMD did it again!
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because there are CPU with unreasonable prices doesn't mean AMD have to do this right now.

of cause they could go intel extreme they did this before but this is how to take market share and the TR socket never got "over" priced CPU yet.

i don't even want to know how expesive this 28 core xeon is in production compared to the glue AMD CPUs.
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You are unsuccessfully trying to cover Intel's and Nvidia's madness regarding profit from their products.

They also share a mad product segmentation and unethical tactics for decades, in order to milk more profit.

Yes, we all know that AMD is a company too but I doubt they would go that way even if they were in the position of Nvidia and Intel.

A Xeon at 10.000$ doesn't cost 10.000$ because of its production cost, but because it says "Intel" in front of Xeon.
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where did i said it will cost 10k i only said is far more expensive than a TR and that's a given not even defending intel here that would be a bad try anyway...

and to be fair this over priced "thing" is a server CPU and epyc is not know to be priced much better the flag ship there cost 4-5k.

TR should be compared with 2066 like AMD is doing right now.
the flag ship Intel Core i9-7980XE get's stomped and is more expensive than a TR2.

these high end epyc and xeon CPU are quite different just alone the multi CPU support...

what so ever what i take from this is that using glue is a far better way to get high core counts than huge die sizes.
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In order to have an equal overclocking performance of Intel's 28C@5.0GHz and TR2 32C@5.0GHz using Cinebench, some people managed to push TR2 at this frequency using liquid cooler (nitrogen)

The results as you can see are impressive, TR2 is faster even than Intel's "secret weapon with an unknown CPU" hiding in the closet.

TR2 could come up with a Cinebench score around 8000 vs 7330 of Intel.

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8...ew/index3.html
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