BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by MrVideo

Oh, therein lies your problem... Win10. I'm running BDRB under XP-64. I just recently brought up a Win7 box.

Nope, it's not a Win10 issue.
As I had only 1 item (the movie) I had to put in the .ini:

MENU_FORCE_QUICK=1

in order to have the menu created for 1 item only.
Problem solved

[MrVideo]

Oh right. Forgot about that, as I set that ages ago. I just also like picking on Win10.

[DoctorM]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Those M2TS streams probably have one or more IGS streams in them. By default small files that contain IGS aren't reencoded. That's mainly because TSMUXER doesn't handle IGS streams. BD-RB has the ability to fool TSMUXER and make required changes itself to TSMUXER's output that are associated with IGS. You can make it do that by adding IGS_ENABLE=1 to your INI file. It adds time to the encode and some small risk, so it really isn't worth it unless there's significant space savings.

Just to see what would happen I tried IGS_ENABLE=1 and that didn't bring up the extras.
Yes, there are playlists for these extras and they are accessible from the menu during playback.

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.

[MrVideo]

Originally Posted by DoctorM

Tested another recent WAC disc and found the same issue of the bonus feature not appearing on the streams list.
Curious.

If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

[varekai]

Originally Posted by MrVideo

Not really. I have the DVDs, but since they have not released the episodes in 1080p, I went to get the files.

I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by varekai

That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?

Yes, this ^

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by varekai

I'm afraid you're wrong, this is a BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only forum.
Illegal downloaded material such as the one you mentioned (1W.CASTLE.S01E01.FLOWERS.FOR.YOUR.GRAVE.1080P.WEB-DL.DD_5.1.H.264-VLALUK) is a no-no, period!
You can't really expect to get any assistance on this as it's illegal and preprocessed material, now can you?

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name...

[varekai]

Originally Posted by Lathe

Yes, this ^

What?

[varekai]

Originally Posted by Lathe

Oops... Looks like somebody forgot to change the file name...

Yep, MrVideo into something shady...

[MrVideo]

Originally Posted by varekai

Yep, MrVideo into something shady...

Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

[MrVideo]

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

[Sharc]

@jdobbs
I noticed that v0.50.24 does now import lossless 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 material from common codecs like Huffyuv, Lagarith, UTVideo correctly (interlaced field parity according your proposed strategy). Very nice, thank you!
A minor issue: 576i sources are shown as 480i in the Stream Tab of the GUI. They are however correctly converted to mpeg4 576i by the import process and then encoded as 720x576 (with borders) with --sar 10:11, which should be --sar 12:11 for 720x576 4:3, I think.

[DoctorM]

Originally Posted by MrVideo

If you look back a few postings you will see that what has happened to you, happened to me, sortof. There were short videos that did not make the streams list. But, they were imported and placed into the BDMV structure. Of the ones that did make it and had two audio streams, the 2nd stream was flagged with a red X (which is a commentary track).

I did not do the Backup portion and just burned the BDMV structure as is, because nothing needed recoding and what was there was going to fit as I was making discs from MKV files.

That said, I'm guessing that if I would have clicked on Backup, those videos missing from the stream list would have been missing from the final result as well as the 2nd audio stream being stripped.

So, this isn't just happening to you, it could have happened to me as well.

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.

(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)

[06/29/17] BD Rebuilder v0.50.23
[16:58:48] Source:  JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO
  - Input BD size: 32.26 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:58:30.203]
  - Target BD size: 23.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
  - Output folder: C:\Users\Dr. M\Desktop\
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[16:58:50] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [16:58:50] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 6)
 - [16:58:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [17:06:30] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 146,904 frames
   - Bitrate: 26,487 Kbs
 - [17:06:30] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
 - [17:52:23] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
 - [22:46:50] Video Encode complete
 - [22:46:50] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [22:46:50] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [22:55:43] Processing: VID_00004 (2 of 6)
 - [22:55:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
 - [22:55:49] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
 - [22:55:49] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [22:55:49] Processing audio tracks
 - [22:55:49] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [22:55:52] Processing: VID_00005 (3 of 6)
 - [22:55:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
 - [22:56:18] Reencoding video [VID_00005]
 - [22:56:18] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [22:56:18] Processing audio tracks
 - [22:56:18] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00006 (4 of 6)
 - [22:56:32] Blanking: VID_00007 (5 of 6)
 - [22:56:32] Processing: VID_00008 (6 of 6)
 - [22:56:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00008]
 - [22:56:37] Reencoding video [VID_00008]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 264 frames
   - Bitrate: 6,621 Kbs
 - [22:56:37] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 2
 - [22:56:47] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 2 of 2
 - [22:57:02] Video Encode complete
 - [22:57:02] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
 - [22:57:02] Multiplexing M2TS
[22:57:06]PHASE ONE complete
[22:57:06]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [22:57:06] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[23:00:59] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[23:00:59] JOB: JOE.VERSUS.THE.VOLCANO finished.

[MrVideo]

Originally Posted by DoctorM

I'm not sure what you mean about them being placed in the BDMV structure, but the final disc did have those extras, they were just copied untouched.

After the files are imported, before you click on the Backup button, in the BDRB Working directory, there is an IMPORTS directory. In there you will find your project directory. That contains the Blu-ray structure, consisting of the BDMV and CERTIFICATE directories. I burn that to media.

(They would probably be VID_00001, VID_00002 and VID_00003.)

Not in this particular case. The first 6 imported files are the 1080p videos. The files after those are the SD files, some of which show up in the stream list, but all show up in the final result.

I misunderstood, in that I thought if they were missing from the streams list, they would be missing after the Backup stage was completed. All of the files are untouched in the IMPORTS location.

So, ya, it is strange that they are missing from the streams list, yet in both our cases, they are actually there.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by varekai

What?

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate...

Originally Posted by varekai

"That post was from 9th December 2016.
Would like to know if there are any changes since then.
Probably not if there are two x264 versions included in BDRB 0.50.24.
But I would also like to know if there are any better qualitywise improvements if using the newer x264 (2833)?"

That's one reason why I always read the new comments on the board and not just in my e'mail notification

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by MrVideo

Based upon conversations in a couple of other threads, eac3to being one of them, this particular DD+ stream is not Blu-ray compliant, as it doesn't have a legacy AC3 core. The paper that I quoted above appears to have been written with only Blu-ray EAC3 being described. Streaming services are using the variant of EAC3 where all of the data is in the substream packets, with 0 data in the legacy AC3 packets.

There are zero programs out there that can convert the EAC3 substreams into AC3 legacy streams.

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.

I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by MrVideo

Not exactly shady. ABC Studios, in their stupid wisdom, has only released DVDs of this series, which I have. But I want better, i.e., 1080p. If they would have released Blu-rays, I would have them instead. It isn't as if this series wasn't popular. ABC Studios is the worst studio for releasing Blu-ray product.

Frankly, it was the last time I bought DVDs from ABC Studios. No Blu-ray release, no purchase.

Still doesn't diminish the point that there is an issue handling DD+. There should be zero manipulation of the audio stream. What comes in, should go out. It isn't as if BDRB users are creating these Blu-rays to sell them. They are for personal use. If it doesn't work, then that is the reason that there should be a DD+ ini option for passthru or recode. My Blu-ray player doesn't deal with the audio streams. It just passes them out to the amp via the HDMI connection, as configured.

Nice, smooth re-direct, BTW...

[varekai]

Originally Posted by Lathe

Uh... (cough...) It's like kind of quoted within the post above mate...

[MrVideo]

Originally Posted by Lathe

I'm probably misunderstanding what you are saying, so if so, please excuse me... But, UsEac3to takes an Eac3 stream and converts it to whatever you want. Oddly, for me anyway, it won't do it from the total MKV stream like it normally does; it throws an error. BUT... if you use MKV Extract first, and extract the Eac3 stream separately and THEN drop it in UsEac3to, then it converts it.

Start reading this thread, starting from here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...78#post1811178
The eac3to program can't deal with the eac3 stream when it is within a MKV file. Once I extracted the EAC3 stream from the MKV file, eac3to had no problem converting it to AC3. Therein lies the problem, it recoded the audio, something I am trying to avoid, as each recode of AC3 adds errors/artifacts to the recoded AC3 stream.

As pointed out in the thread, there is no program out there that can extract the AC3 packets from the EAC3 stream, untouched. The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid.

Please read through the thread. Lots of useful info.

So, while the DD+ streams we are finding are not Blu-ray compliant, they should still be able to be placed onto a Blu-ray and be playable, since it is the amp that is doing the playing of the audio.

I'm always doing this because some of my, uh, (cough...) 'found' MKVs have Eac3 tracks. So, I always extract them, drop them into UsEac3to and double the bit rate and convert to Ac3.

Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

[worknstiff]

@ MrVideo; RE: The EAC3 stream must be recoded, an issue I was trying to avoid. Why convert them? Why not just leave them as EAC3 streams?

I second that emotion. I just returned home and was trying out the latest, greatest version of BD Rebuilder. I have been having a few hick-ups when using it to recode some MKV's. I have found that in a few cases it is not recognizing that the E-AC3 is actually 5.1 and lists it as stereo when it imports the audio. I wonder how that can even happen? I think if at all possible I would like for it not to re-coded either, especially if you are not outputting into a blue ray format.

PS: thanks for the latest version jdobbs!