MadVR in use with LG OLED Thread - Page 53

oldpainlesskodi · 22nd November 2020, 09:44

Thanks.

Magik Mark · 23rd November 2020, 05:03

Guys, Do you happen to know an ICC Profile for LG Oleds?

bombadilio · 23rd November 2020, 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark0077

I have tried a number of months without interpolation on my LG C9, after many years of using SVP, I have to say I don't know how people can be happy to watch 24p on a modern/good OLED without some compensation for motion/judderyness. With BFI mode enabled on the C9 at least, its too flickery as it only has an off/on mode. The "on" mode is very flickery compared to the low mode on the C10 and newer. (I welcome C10 inputs on this discussion when set to low).

We all know OLED is "perfectly" juddery as the OLED is doing as its supposed to do in 24p mode and we can get attached to that as being the 'directors intent'. I'm all for that, but I highly doubt that exactness / judderyness is what the director intended (how will we ever know eh?).

I really like SVP and its varying ranges of smoothness it allows, to over come this. Now it allows a pure avisynth_filter based way of engaging it, without the need for ffdshow. I think the whole "soap opera affect" is really over emphasised. This SVP smoothness looks fantastic to me and all of my relatives, SVP being engaged in a medium smoothness mode. It shouldn't be shunned so badly as "soap opera affect" and dismissed so badly/quickly.

In a way its like saying upscaling is "soap opera affect" (i.e. this is not natural, of course it isn't natural and that's the point, its to get as close to what the director intended, and that's not always exactly what's in the content/blu-ray, he/she probably didn't intend us to see a juddery image of 24p on an OLED right, just like he/she didn't intend us upscaling the resolution in crazy/great ways that we can do with modern hardware??)

I really look forward to this forum discussion move past it being "soap opera affect" and move into looking at ways to make our resulting image moving towards the true directors intent, which we all know is not a juddery 24p which a lot of us are seeing on these super modern OLEDs.

I'm not sure what the end solution will be though SVP and some tweaks to its settings (everyone is welcome to share their settings), or madVR (down the road possibly).

Thanks! Would love your input Mark, SVP has an update that works with AVISynth + MadVR. I just can't seem to figure out how to tell if SVP is activated when using MadVR.

Do you know how to check? So far it seems to be working.

I am currently using:
Asus Rampage V X99 + 5930 @4.4ghs | EVGA FTW3 3090 | Creative Sonic Carrier Dolby Atmos | LG 55"CX | MPC-BE x64 -Madvr / AviSynth / SVP

mark0077 · 23rd November 2020, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombadilio

Thanks! Would love your input Mark, SVP has an update that works with AVISynth + MadVR. I just can't seem to figure out how to tell if SVP is activated when using MadVR.

Do you know how to check? So far it seems to be working.

I am currently using:
Asus Rampage V X99 + 5930 @4.4ghs | EVGA FTW3 3090 | Creative Sonic Carrier Dolby Atmos | LG 55"CX | MPC-BE x64 -Madvr / AviSynth / SVP

Yeah I can try to help, but it might be best for the SVP forum. If you right click on the SVP menu and make sure it's set to show it's OSD if you want to be sure it's active. Also clicking on the tray icon while content is playing will show whether it's active or not (if your like me and don't want OSD). I just got the latest avisynth filter and enabled that in MPC external filter list, and disabled ffdshow. SVP on the fly injects it's scripts into the running avisynth filter instance while it's running.

PetitDragon · 25th November 2020, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark0077

I just got the latest avisynth filter and enabled that in MPC external filter list, and disabled ffdshow.

hi mark,

could you post the link of that latest avisynth filter for me. TIA!

mark0077 · 26th November 2020, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetitDragon

hi mark,

could you post the link of that latest avisynth filter for me. TIA!

Sure. This is the GitHub page. https://github.com/CrendKing/avisynth_filter
This is the discussion thread on the SVP forum also https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewt...hp?id=5877&p=3

VBB · 30th November 2020, 23:27

Feels like we haven't talked about smooth motion in a while

SamuriHL · 30th November 2020, 23:37

All fixed up in the latest betas. Have at it.

chros · 30th November 2020, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by VBB

Feels like we haven't talked about smooth motion in a while

Screw SM, I don't like it

But you forgot to reply: how's your 960 dealing with hdr pixelshader?

VBB · 30th November 2020, 23:48

Oh hai! Yes, I know. I've actually switched back to SM and non-PC mode LMAO. Been re-watching Westworld in UHD, and I just couldn't handle the banding anymore after torturing myself through season one

Didn't forget. Just haven't had the willpower to test it LOL

chros · 1st December 2020, 00:08

No worries. But WW is DV, don't you respect the director's intent?!

VBB · 2nd December 2020, 00:51

It's ridiculous that after more than three years, I'm still switching back and forth between PC mode and normal mode. I can say with absolute certainty that for things like motion and lip sync PC mode is the clear winner. For all things SDR as well. I'm still torn on HDR, and I find myself comparing certain scenes where the banding is more obvious. Those scenes all have something in common: they are dark and have lots of saturated reds in them. It's also highly content-specific: Throughout season one (a 2K upscale) of Westworld I clearly noticed banding, and not just in dark and red scenes. Last night, I finished season two (native 4K), and except for the last episode, which had dark and deeply red scenes, I didn't notice any obvious banding at all.

Ideally, I would want to use non-PC mode for HDR, but the problem I'm having there is that motion in that mode is not smooth without Real Cinema, and enabling RC adds a crazy video delay. PC mode simply has the purest form of motion this TV can produce. And not to bring up smooth motion again, but I keep going back and forth on that as well. I realize I sound like a major flip-flopper, but I now tend to not like it as much as I used to. The blur is real at 60Hz

Asmodian, could you please re-assure us that all is good now in C9/CX land with your HDMI 2.1 10-bit RGB 120Hz decadence?

QBhd · 2nd December 2020, 06:53

I settled on HDMI mode and TruMotion of De-Judder 2 and De-Blur 0.... HDR banding is a total deal breaker and the benefits of PC Mode do not even come close to making up that gap.

QB

VBB · 2nd December 2020, 09:50

Thanks for the input, QBhd. After briefly trying that tonight and adjusting my Denon again (sigh), it might just make me come full circle.

huhn · 2nd December 2020, 10:09

eARC to get the AVR out of the video pipeline can not come fast enough right?

Asmodian · 2nd December 2020, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by VBB

Asmodian, could you please re-assure us that all is good now in C9/CX land with your HDMI 2.1 10-bit RGB 120Hz decadence?

I have decided on 10 bit YCbCr 444 limited at 120 Hz. I cannot get a good full range calibration with the Calman integration. I dither to 8 bit with madVR but sending 10 bit from the GPU is not any worse, maybe even slight better.

I am very happy with it in this mode, smooth motion at 120 Hz is great and with the newest firmware on the TV (03.11.30) everything seem to be working properly.

It is a little odd to feel like I don't need any new technology for my display. I have been waiting for HDMI 2.1 and VRR for so long actually having it still doesn't feel quite real.

Quote:

Originally Posted by QBhd

HDR banding is a total deal breaker and the benefits of PC Mode do not even come close to making up that gap.

This is the one upgrade for the CX over the C9. LG fixed HDR in PC mode.

bkrieger · 2nd December 2020, 12:29

Hello,
I was hoping someone can help me. I have been getting a lot of dropped and repeated frames when watching HDR video. I’ve read this whole thread as well as other forums trying to figure it out and the correct settings. I have an LG CX 65, GTX 980 TI, soon to upgrade to an RTX 3080 TI, Ryzen 3700X, bit streaming with a Denon X4700H

Nvidia Control Panel RGB Limited, TV Blacks on Low non PC Mode

Here are my settings. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

bkrieger · 2nd December 2020, 12:32

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/sXBmm4u

The images did not attach to my last post

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/sXBmm4u

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0u-M...t3je898DXFj1-Q

Asmodian · 2nd December 2020, 12:49

Your settings are simply too high. You need to get your rendering time lower.

average stats
rendering 51.21ms
present 0.30ms

Both have to add up to about 40 ms or less for 24 fps video. You have to turn off some options, either disable some sharpening or set chroma upscaling to jinc or spline3 or both.

Edit: actually, your sharpening isn't active. Set chroma upscaling to Jinc. Jinc is the highest quality "pure math" scaler and it is much faster than NGU. I don't really like NGU low but you could also try that. Super-xbr or some of the other fancy options are also faster than NGU medium, you could try them.

Cubic (Bicubic60) is great for chroma upscaling, and super fast.

Or a faster GPU, of course.

quietvoid · 2nd December 2020, 14:21

Reposting QBhd's post (thank you!) from AVS: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/imp.../post-60296648
Very relevant, if some here have not seen it.
Anything lower than 850 target seems to roll off much earlier..

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VBB Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 620	Oh hai! Yes, I know. I've actually switched back to SM and non-PC mode LMAO. Been re-watching Westworld in UHD, and I just couldn't handle the banding anymore after torturing myself through season one Didn't forget. Just haven't had the willpower to test it LOL __________________ Henry \| LG OLED65C7P \| Denon AVR-X3500H \| ELAC Uni-Fi x7 \| ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3030 x2 \| NVIDIA SHIELD TV Pro 2019 \| Plex

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VBB Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 620	It's ridiculous that after more than three years, I'm still switching back and forth between PC mode and normal mode. I can say with absolute certainty that for things like motion and lip sync PC mode is the clear winner. For all things SDR as well. I'm still torn on HDR, and I find myself comparing certain scenes where the banding is more obvious. Those scenes all have something in common: they are dark and have lots of saturated reds in them. It's also highly content-specific: Throughout season one (a 2K upscale) of Westworld I clearly noticed banding, and not just in dark and red scenes. Last night, I finished season two (native 4K), and except for the last episode, which had dark and deeply red scenes, I didn't notice any obvious banding at all. Ideally, I would want to use non-PC mode for HDR, but the problem I'm having there is that motion in that mode is not smooth without Real Cinema, and enabling RC adds a crazy video delay. PC mode simply has the purest form of motion this TV can produce. And not to bring up smooth motion again, but I keep going back and forth on that as well. I realize I sound like a major flip-flopper, but I now tend to not like it as much as I used to. The blur is real at 60Hz Asmodian, could you please re-assure us that all is good now in C9/CX land with your HDMI 2.1 10-bit RGB 120Hz decadence? __________________ Henry \| LG OLED65C7P \| Denon AVR-X3500H \| ELAC Uni-Fi x7 \| ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3030 x2 \| NVIDIA SHIELD TV Pro 2019 \| Plex

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QBhd QB the Slayer Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 697	I settled on HDMI mode and TruMotion of De-Judder 2 and De-Blur 0.... HDR banding is a total deal breaker and the benefits of PC Mode do not even come close to making up that gap. QB __________________

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VBB Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 620	Thanks for the input, QBhd. After briefly trying that tonight and adjusting my Denon again (sigh), it might just make me come full circle. __________________ Henry \| LG OLED65C7P \| Denon AVR-X3500H \| ELAC Uni-Fi x7 \| ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3030 x2 \| NVIDIA SHIELD TV Pro 2019 \| Plex

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bkrieger Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 24	Hello, I was hoping someone can help me. I have been getting a lot of dropped and repeated frames when watching HDR video. I’ve read this whole thread as well as other forums trying to figure it out and the correct settings. I have an LG CX 65, GTX 980 TI, soon to upgrade to an RTX 3080 TI, Ryzen 3700X, bit streaming with a Denon X4700H Nvidia Control Panel RGB Limited, TV Blacks on Low non PC Mode Here are my settings. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Last edited by bkrieger; 2nd December 2020 at 12:40.

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	Your settings are simply too high. You need to get your rendering time lower. average stats rendering 51.21ms present 0.30ms Both have to add up to about 40 ms or less for 24 fps video. You have to turn off some options, either disable some sharpening or set chroma upscaling to jinc or spline3 or both. Edit: actually, your sharpening isn't active. Set chroma upscaling to Jinc. Jinc is the highest quality "pure math" scaler and it is much faster than NGU. I don't really like NGU low but you could also try that. Super-xbr or some of the other fancy options are also faster than NGU medium, you could try them. Cubic (Bicubic60) is great for chroma upscaling, and super fast. Or a faster GPU, of course. __________________ madVR options explained Last edited by Asmodian; 2nd December 2020 at 13:01.

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quietvoid Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Canada Posts: 574	Reposting QBhd's post (thank you!) from AVS: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/imp.../post-60296648 Very relevant, if some here have not seen it. Anything lower than 850 target seems to roll off much earlier.. Last edited by quietvoid; 2nd December 2020 at 15:38.