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Old 10th August 2017, 14:41   #44601  |  Link
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sorry but decoding is not about opinions.

CUVID is known to be "not" optimal to say it friendly.
U dont understand me.. ^^ copy-back performance is realy poor on my system especaly on HDR materials.. cant use that.. works only on dxva2 native on my system
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Old 10th August 2017, 14:50   #44602  |  Link
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did you check your nvidia power settings so they are not set to "optimal".

can you make a screen of the osd?

a 950 has only 2Gb of Vram check your Vram usages and change the queue accordingly.

CUVID is copyback too just that you know.
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U must use D3D11 Exclusive and BT2020 Mode under display devices. and pass throu HDR content direkt to the dispaly if u have a HDC cabable TV. And u must set the display frequency to 50Hz + using reclock
are you sure your system is ok?
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Old 10th August 2017, 14:58   #44603  |  Link
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which tool is required for displaying VRAM? cant find such tools on google..
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Old 10th August 2017, 15:19   #44604  |  Link
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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

this tool may effect performance when open.

seeing a ~1800 mb Vram usages doesn't mean you are not running out of Vram.
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Old 10th August 2017, 15:21   #44605  |  Link
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ok thanks i will test it
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Old 10th August 2017, 18:42   #44606  |  Link
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Has madVR access to the filename? If yes it can read a tag such as "F-SBS" and auto switch to correct 3D mode.. would be nice
It has access to the filename and has "3D" boolean variable as well, but so far I wasn't succeeded in generating such a rule that could have solved the FSBS "issue". The reason should be that Full SBS 3D input format is simply not supported at all (it is not even possible to create a unique profile for it), but as an output format it is, however, it would be reasonable if someone is playing a 3D collection from HDD (in my opinion more reasonable than playing the source h264 + MVC containers). Fast GPU-s can easily render HEVC containers with the correct settings.

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Old 10th August 2017, 23:12   #44607  |  Link
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U must use D3D11 Exclusive and BT2020 Mode under display devices. and pass throu HDR content direkt to the dispaly if u have a HDC cabable TV. And u must set the display frequency to 50Hz + using reclock


BTW the Questions i must unswerd every time to post a reply are soo dammmmn anoing!! -.-
Windows 10 1703 15063.540
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With potplayer when using Exclusive mode + madVR Exclusive full screen mode + Windows 10 HDR mode enabled . when going into full screen everything becomes a lot brighter , is that how it suppose to be ?

In madVR do I need to choose in Calibration This Display is already calibrated BT.2020 pure power curve 2.40 ? because I'm using BT1886 Gamma which is like 2.4 on the TV settings.

because it says D3D11 exclusive 10 bit
but NV12 , 8 bit 4:2:0

On Exclusive Full Screen it looks with HD weird ... like without exclusive it looks better. or only in exclusive full screen it actually use HDR right ? on Full Screen exclusive the TV doesn't say it is using HDR BT.2020 anymore . Just normal 3840x2160p PCM

does it suppose to look like this ?
that's windowed mode, not full screen windowed or exclusive. That's with Windows 10 HDR disabled, but that's how it looks like in Full Screen Exclusive.

http://imgur.com/a/FY7uc

[Video Information]
Codec: HVC1
Input type: NV12(12 bits)
Input size: 3840 x 2160(1.78:1)
Output type: NV12(12 bits)
Output size: 3840 x 2160(1.78:1)
Frame rate: 24
BitRate: Unknown

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Old 11th August 2017, 00:19   #44608  |  Link
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Something is wrong with your present queue, do you have the "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work" option enabled or are you on an Optimus laptop?

Try without using potplayer, or maybe potplayer not in exclusive mode (what is a player doing with exclusive/non-exclusive anyway?).
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Old 11th August 2017, 01:16   #44609  |  Link
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try 200% (i use this myself) and please make a screen of your whole desktop (control + print) with the madVR osd and post it please.
Thank you so much guys for your help last night, Im finally scaling correctly after moving windows from 175% to 200% for 4K.
No more 1080 >3291 x 1851 for all content
Im now getting 1080> 3840 x 2160 which has allowed me to move up to much higher settings on my 1080Ti card, and the results are out of this world!!!

You guys are amazing, I have learnt so much in here!
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Old 11th August 2017, 02:06   #44610  |  Link
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Something is wrong with your present queue, do you have the "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work" option enabled or are you on an Optimus laptop?

Try without using potplayer, or maybe potplayer not in exclusive mode (what is a player doing with exclusive/non-exclusive anyway?).
It just maybe the movie was on pause mode after I left Full screen exclusive mode. I just wanted to show that it's not running on HDR , that's the important detail, and it looks different . can anyone download the file and test it with his player ?
it's a desktop, no optimus .
"hack direct3D " is not enabled.


The video looks like this for me with HDR enabled. There are links to download the file from below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weoZ-YtD2Fo

so it's not running with HDR correctly because youtube doesn't support HDR.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5...E5rRWdMZEhIaWM

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Old 11th August 2017, 08:30   #44611  |  Link
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Something is wrong with your present queue, do you have the "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work" option enabled or are you on an Optimus laptop?

Try without using potplayer, or maybe potplayer not in exclusive mode (what is a player doing with exclusive/non-exclusive anyway?).
Is there any problem with madvr and potplayer? Like not filling queues or something?
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Old 11th August 2017, 10:34   #44612  |  Link
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Is there any problem with madvr and potplayer? Like not filling queues or something?
It was just in pause mode, it's not the issue now.

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Old 11th August 2017, 11:22   #44613  |  Link
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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

this tool may effect performance when open.

seeing a ~1800 mb Vram usages doesn't mean you are not running out of Vram.
Im on the Limit with my GTX 950 2GB.. it uses around 1500-1800MB VRAM -.-

maybe i better switch to 1050TI with 4GB..
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Old 11th August 2017, 11:38   #44614  |  Link
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Much better going for a 1060 unless the RAM doubling and a small performance upgrade is all you want.
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Old 11th August 2017, 12:10   #44615  |  Link
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Much better going for a 1060 unless the RAM doubling and a small performance upgrade is all you want.
Is much too expensive only for waching Movies..
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Old 11th August 2017, 12:51   #44616  |  Link
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actually deringer removes so many artifacts from the original picture that the "add grain" option does come in very handy but even a strength of 1 is already pretty strong, any chance you could like half the strength of every step and go up to 8 instead of 4? I don't see the current 4 being useful to anything IME, 0.5 or 0.66 would hit the spot

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Old 11th August 2017, 17:28   #44617  |  Link
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Some feedback for your experimental refresh rate tool (on nVidia):

- It only accepted the EDID values for three rates (23, 25 and 50). It rejected all the others (error saying GPU didn't accept for unknown reasons). That's not too bad for me, as 99% of my content is Bluray/PAL DVD, but would be a problem for people with lots of NTSC or TV content.

- I tested before/after with 23p (98% of my content) and the improvement is significant. I go from one frame repeated every 5mn to one frame drop every 50mn. Render is 25-30ms, so there should be no frame drop at all (I had none for days with my AMD HD7870 on the same HTPC).

Thanks for working on this, I know it's possible to do this manually but your tool makes it very easy (near instant) to get a great improvement.

See sig for rig.

EDIT: I should add that 24p, 25p and 50p are now gone from the drop list in the nVidia panel. Is this to be expected? They are still present in the OS drop down list in the monitor properties. I use MyMovies to switch the refresh rate, so hopefully it will work as it's using the OS to detect the available rates. I'll do more tests but it seemed to work fine yesterday...

EDIT2: I've done more tests, 23p no frame drop time seems to have gone up to around 2 hours, so near perfect. The auto frame rate switch works fine from MyMovies, and I'm getting similar results in 24p, 25p and 30p. Well done!
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Old 11th August 2017, 21:34   #44618  |  Link
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actually deringer removes so many artifacts from the original picture....
I dont use de-ringer at all as Im not sure from where to use it as its in three separate menus of madvr. What section is best to use it, or do you use it from all three areas?
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I dont use de-ringer at all as Im not sure from where to use it as its in three separate menus of madvr. What section is best to use it, or do you use it from all three areas?
I only use it under /processing/artifacts removal/

Having more thoughts about it, it'd be great if "add grain" came with the same 0.x granularity as almost all other upscaling refinements please. I just want enough grain to replace ringing artifacts but not enough to actually notice the extra grain, I'm aiming for a compromise here and current strength of "1" already appears too strong

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I just spent a long time attempting to quantify exactly how much less blending happens as the refresh rate increases.

24.00000 Hz = 99.80% blended, 50% average blend
30.00000 Hz = 79.82% blended, 40% average blend
48.00000 Hz = 49.85% blended, 25% average blend
59.94006 Hz = 40.03% blended, 20% average blend
60.00000 Hz = 39.86% blended, 20% average blend
75.00000 Hz = 31.87% blended, 16% average blend
120.0000 Hz = 19.88% blended, 10% average blend
144.0000 Hz = 16.62% blended, 8% average blend

My Excel Spreadsheet if anyone is interested or wants to check my work.
Thanks for calculating this, by the way
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