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Old 8th October 2011, 01:50   #13201  |  Link
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Audio out of synch with "Hobo with a Shotgun" BD

I think I ran into a bug with "Hobo with a Shotgun". I did a movie-only backup and the audio is way out of synch. The audio starts too early when the movie beings; there should be about a 10 second delay so the audio starts after the first company logo, but it seems to start right away, this causes the audio to be about 10 seconds out of synch through the whole movie. I've never seen this happen with the other couple dozen backups I've done with this software.

When doing the backup I had to manually select the proper movie-only playlist of 00004, it did not pick the correct playlist by default (it picked 00143). Here is my config file, as you can see the audio delay seems to be missing for playlist 00004, I did not modify this file in anyway, it's what was generated by BD-Rebuilder. I have no clue if that has anything to do with the issue, but just wanted to point it out:

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[Status]
LABEL=HOBO_WITH_A_SHOTGUN_BD
VERSION=v0.39.01 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=16968572928
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=16968572928
TARGET_SIZE=24641536000
REDUCTION=1.45218670447759
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=3
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00092]
USE_ORIGINAL=1
AUDIO=100
PGS=10
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=6183109
NSTART=27000000
NEND=27471095
NSIZE=3901440
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00010]
USE_ORIGINAL=1
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=24635317202
NSTART=27000000
NEND=260474400
AUDIO=100
NSIZE=13496045568
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00004]
USE_ORIGINAL=1
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=35689
NSTART=27000000
NEND=27043168
AUDIO=
NSIZE=18432
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
Here is the log file:

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[15:56:36] BD Rebuilder v0.39.01 (beta)
  - Source:  HOBO_WITH_A_SHOTGUN_BD
  - Input BD size: 15.80 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:26:11.875]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[15:56:36] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [15:56:36] Processing: VID_00092 (1 of 3)
 - [15:56:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00092]
 - [16:07:29] Reencoding video [VID_00092]
 - [16:07:29] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [16:07:29] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [16:07:29] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [16:07:29] Processing: VID_00010 (2 of 3)
 - [16:07:29] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
 - [16:18:20] Reencoding video [VID_00010]
 - [16:18:20] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [16:18:20] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [16:23:57] Processing: VID_00004 (3 of 3)
 - [16:23:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
 - [16:23:58] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
 - [16:23:58] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [16:23:58] Multiplexing M2TS
[16:23:59]PHASE ONE complete
[16:23:59]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [16:23:59] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[16:31:26] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[16:31:26] Writing BD structure to ISO file
 - ImgBurn completed successfully
 - HOBO_WITH_A_SHOTGUN_BD folder removed.
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[16:38:21]JOB: HOBO_WITH_A_SHOTGUN_BD finished.
Thanks in advance!

UPDATE 10/10/2011 - I re-ran the same project, this time without deleting any of the workfiles so I can provide any avs or meta files needed for analysis, just let me know. Again, the audio is out of synch by about 10 seconds with the new output. It appears there needs to be a delay to start the audio after video stream 00092 (company logo), but this isn't happening.

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Old 8th October 2011, 03:57   #13202  |  Link
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Please post "inspect.exe" log file. Most likely it is codec issue.
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Old 8th October 2011, 15:10   #13203  |  Link
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I think I ran into a bug with "Hobo with a Shotgun". I did a movie-only backup and the audio is way out of synch. The audio starts too early when the movie beings; there should be about a 10 second delay so the audio starts after the first company logo, but it seems to start right away, this causes the audio to be about 10 seconds out of synch through the whole movie. I've never seen this happen with the other couple dozen backups I've done with this software.
Since your source is less than a BD-25, there is no reencoding taking place. Why even run it through BD-RB?
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Old 8th October 2011, 19:09   #13204  |  Link
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The probability is very high that your source is corrupt. Notice that other streams with the exact same characteristics are encoding successfully before the failure on that single M2TS. It's also possible but less likely that your system isn't stable. Are you overclocked?
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s you said, the source had problems, i compressed another bd and its perfect. apologies for wastng your time, cheers and thank u

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Old 9th October 2011, 06:23   #13205  |  Link
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Since your source is less than a BD-25, there is no reencoding taking place. Why even run it through BD-RB?
Have to rip out extras to get size down to BD-25 size, the source ISO is over 40 gigs. Plus I like to get rid of all the extras and previews anyways.

HWK, there shouldn't be a codec issue since I've never seen this happen before. Here is the output of inspect:

Code:
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.11.96.14, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3882, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC:  Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC:  Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC:  Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec":  Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "ffmpeg-mt":  Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.39.0.1, Ok
- X264:  Ok
- AFTEN:  Ok
- FAAC:  Ok
- MP4BOX:  Ok
- WAVI:  Ok
- TSMUXER:  Ok
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Old 9th October 2011, 15:20   #13206  |  Link
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I haven't seen many issues or comments regarding the blanking of features. What are peoples experience of the new feature? I've tried a couple of discs and had issues (some minor) ranging from not all extras been blanked, menu not working on another and one disc wouldn't even play in my Sony standalone.
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Old 9th October 2011, 17:32   #13207  |  Link
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That's why i always preview the auto-selected streams. To make sure it doesnt blank & menu clip or something i'd rather keep. Havent had any issue here with blanking
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Old 9th October 2011, 17:39   #13208  |  Link
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Have to rip out extras to get size down to BD-25 size, the source ISO is over 40 gigs.
So did you process the original with something else before running it through BD-RB? All bets are off, if you did.
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Old 9th October 2011, 18:05   #13209  |  Link
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My experiences are for the most part sucessfull, but it seems the final sizing is all over the place. I think maybe BD_RB is not rescanning the m2ts files after you change the default blanking to include or exclude certain playlists. I do some BD25 disks that should need little compression to fit that are coming out at 91 or 92% full when all that was needed was to get rid of just a few gigs. Then on some disks like StarWars 1-6 the main movie is around 38 gigs, and maybe another 8 gigs of extras. I found that the TRUE_HD english track was 4gigs alone and the scrolling yellow text that is 1 minute or so in length took up 500MB. Not bad untill you see that it is repeated for 8 different languages and can't be individually blanked. I tried substituting dummy m2ts files but ended up with a broken menu or an unplayable disk. Oh well, i have had quite a few that did work ok after running a few times to get within the size I was targeting but Starwars never did work out. Most of my attempts were ending up with the main movie being around 12 or 14 gigs but when I gave up and just did movie only the movie came out at 18 gigs for the movie and 4 gigs for the HD audio for a final size of 21.8 gigs resulting in a BD25 98% full. I was happy without the menu if I can keep the compression bitrate down to around 12 or 13 cbr. I wonder if everyone else is getting around the same results?
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Old 9th October 2011, 18:09   #13210  |  Link
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I've noticed with some Blu Ray discs, the output size is sometimes smaller than ~22.5Gb by about the same size I've blanked. E.g. blank 1Gb, and it's 21.5Gb. So yes, the output size is somewhat erratic. However, I find it to be within reason. Ones that I've blanked, with NO_REENCODE, and then rerun through Bd-rebuilder, yield a better output size. Haven't tried star wars. I'm a trekkie :S
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Old 9th October 2011, 23:49   #13211  |  Link
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Looks like your progress counter needs fixing. It bugged on me on X-Men: First Class. Probably due to the fact that there's over 50 streams of less then 1 MB in size.



** it finished with a counter of 105% and something. However when the iso rebuild began the counter dropped back to 100%

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Old 10th October 2011, 01:30   #13212  |  Link
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Looks like your progress counter needs fixing. It bugged on me on X-Men: First Class. Probably due to the fact that there's over 50 streams of less then 1 MB in size.

...image...

** it finished with a counter of 105% and something. However when the iso rebuild began the counter dropped back to 100%
What settings are you using? Was it a full backup, Movie and Menus, or Movie-Only?
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Old 10th October 2011, 02:15   #13213  |  Link
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Since your source is less than a BD-25, there is no reencoding taking place. Why even run it through BD-RB?
Oh, I totally miss that. Yeah If processing has be done before then indeed no support.
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Old 10th October 2011, 04:23   #13214  |  Link
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@ironleg1963

This is a BD-RB bug thread... its for reporting bugs, advising on bugs, discussing bugs, and looking for solutions to bugs. I try to be open-minded, but your post related to your Sony BD Drive clearly didn't belong here. I've moved it into a thread of its own.
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Old 10th October 2011, 13:27   #13215  |  Link
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What settings are you using? Was it a full backup, Movie and Menus, or Movie-Only?
Movie & menu's, auto quality. that's the only mode i use since its available. I'm doing another encode right now to see if it wasnt a fluke, and cause the cerebro mutant tracker menu clip probably got blanked by accident (must have missed it)

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Old 10th October 2011, 16:23   #13216  |  Link
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If counts for something, i do a X-Men First Class Full Backup and the progress bar never surpased the 100%, the rebuild works great like always
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If counts for something, i do a X-Men First Class Full Backup and the progress bar never surpased the 100%, the rebuild works great like always
Did you do a full or movie-only backup as opposed to a movie-and-menus? If so, that means there is some glitch in the way I account for blanked streams.
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It wasnt a fluke. 2nd encode exhibited the same behavior. Issue started with the encode of VID_00906 wich is the last "big" stream before 2 batches of streams that never exceed 0.30MB. Was a fraction of a second too late to capture an image but it happened again.

Hmmz cerebro mutant tracker still non-functional. Gonna try a normal encode tomorrow. Too late now

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Old 10th October 2011, 22:12   #13219  |  Link
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Found a possible bug when doing a Full Backup of Lionsgate's Wonderland. One of the bonus materials is a 105-minute movie:

Original 00335.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 270 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 7 700 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.605
Stream size : 4.62 GiB (93%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 145 MiB (3%)


BD-RB processed 00335.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 6 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 593 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 35.0 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.347
Stream size : 2.71 GiB (91%)
Writing library : x264 core 116 r2074 2641b9e
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=6 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=24 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=bff / bluray_compat=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=25 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3593 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=35000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / nal_hrd=vbr / ip_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 145 MiB (5%)
Language : English

The thing is, on the backup 00335.m2ts won't start playing properly. It gets stuck at 00:00:00. It's possible to force start by pressing Fast Forward momentarily, but the file plays without sound. PowerDVD 11 only says "Dolby Digital" in its Information OSD; no mention of audio channels. Backup finished without errors.

In BD-RB Setup, "Use DEINTERLACER" and "Use LAVF" are ticked (no IVTC). I have one tweak in BD-RB .ini: "--tune film" for both passes. Backup finished without errors.
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Old 11th October 2011, 00:00   #13220  |  Link
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I'm running "X-Men First Class" now in Movie-and-Menus mode. I'll let you know what I find...

Unfortunately we appear to be working from two different authorings, as mine only has 186 streams to process.
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