BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[RobertM]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I have updated the first post of this thread with a link to the most recent update to BD-RB (v0.50.03).  
<snip>
- Corrected a problem in which it is possible,
  under certain circumstances that a segment 
  of a multipart movie-only encode might get 
  flagged to keep intact  while other parts 
  are encoded.
<snip>

I ran a test to confirm this fix on the title where I first saw it; 'The Counselor'.

I first ran BD-RB version 50.01 to test the pre-fix version: Part 1 of 3 re-encoded, but part 2 of 3 did not. So I aborted and started up BD-RB 50.03 and re-ran with the exact same settings: all 3 parts re-encoded (I didn't wait for completion because I was doing these tests on my slow computer). I posted the log below, just in case it is of interest.

I didn't re-test 'Trance', the other title where I saw this problem, because I recall you said you had purchased that title for testing, so I presume that you've already confirmed the results on that title yourself.

Anyways, looks like you've squashed that one. Kudos, and a job well done

[01/24/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.01
[09:31:13] Source:  THE_COUNSELOR_00800
  - Input BD size: 33.50 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:57:14.026]
  - Target BD size: 23.63 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[09:31:15] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [09:31:15] Processing: VID_00500 (1 of 3)
 - [09:31:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00500]
 - [09:43:56] Reencoding video [VID_00500]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 6,753 frames
   - Bitrate: 26,245 Kbs
 - [09:43:56] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 1 of 2
 - [09:45:54] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 2 of 2
 - [09:47:53] Video Encode complete
 - [09:47:53] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
 - [09:51:25] Processing: VID_00501 (2 of 3)
 - [09:51:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00501]
 - [09:51:36] Reencoding video [VID_00501]
 - [09:51:36] Keeping original video (no reencode)
 - [09:51:36] Processing: VID_00502 (3 of 3)
 - [09:51:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00502]
[09:53:19]PHASE ONE aborted by user request
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[01/24/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.03
[09:55:04] Source:  THE_COUNSELOR_00800
  - Input BD size: 33.50 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:57:14.026]
  - Target BD size: 23.63 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[09:55:08] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [09:55:08] Processing: VID_00500 (1 of 3)
 - [09:55:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00500]
 - [10:07:37] Reencoding video [VID_00500]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 6,753 frames
   - Bitrate: 26,245 Kbs
 - [10:07:37] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 1 of 2
 - [10:09:41] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 2 of 2
 - [10:12:13] Video Encode complete
 - [10:12:13] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
 - [10:15:15] Processing: VID_00501 (2 of 3)
 - [10:15:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00501]
 - [10:15:24] Reencoding video [VID_00501]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 788 frames
   - Bitrate: 18,615 Kbs
 - [10:15:24] Reencoding: VID_00501, Pass 1 of 2
 - [10:15:30] Reencoding: VID_00501, Pass 2 of 2
 - [10:15:34] Video Encode complete
 - [10:15:34] Processing: VID_00502 (3 of 3)
 - [10:15:34] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00502]
 - [10:36:10] Reencoding video [VID_00502]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 161,107 frames
   - Bitrate: 25,628 Kbs
 - [10:36:10] Reencoding: VID_00502, Pass 1 of 2
[10:41:25]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

[jdobbs]

Groovy, hip, and far out.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Groovy, hip, and far out.

Uh oh... I think our esteemed guru and leader has been testing the mushrooms...

[jdobbs]

You caught me.

[louv68]

I respectfully ask jdobbs, if a particular version is working fine, why make it unusable by forcing an update? I'm all in for the app to implement new features and improvements, but forcing an update does not make sense to me? Wouldn't a popup indicating there is a new version available, be a better alternative? This would give the person the option to do so.

[jdobbs]

There hasn't been a forced update or timeout in several versions now (since v0.49.07).

The purpose of the timeout was never to implement new features -- but to prevent me from having to answer bug reports that had already been fixed. I think that was fair as it's me who had to respond to outdated reports. But I think it's stable enough now that I don't get the volume of bug reports that I used to, so I disabled the timeout.

The only reason I keep it in beta is so I can still make significant changes without having to apologize every time I cause a new bug.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

The only reason I keep it in beta is so I can still make significant changes without having to apologize every time I cause a new bug.

C'mon JD, you NEVER have any reason to apologize mate...

[Lathe]

I may have missed this, but how does BDRB handle Atmos audio? I saw a ways back where a fellow was trying to reencode 'TRANSFORMERS 4' which has an Atmos soundtrack, and he commented that it looked like it was keeping like a 7 Gig audio track (he wanted intact audio) and I looked for a few pages after that and I didn't see any further replies to that. I think he mentioned that he would like to keep just the normal HD audio WITHOUT all the Atmos information.

Would someone mind refreshing me about how BDRB handles this kind of audio?

Thanks!

[Ch3vr0n]

It handled it just fine for me, but then again I do keep audio intact myself too.

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[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Lathe

I may have missed this, but how does BDRB handle Atmos audio? I saw a ways back where a fellow was trying to reencode 'TRANSFORMERS 4' which has an Atmos soundtrack, and he commented that it looked like it was keeping like a 7 Gig audio track (he wanted intact audio) and I looked for a few pages after that and I didn't see any further replies to that. I think he mentioned that he would like to keep just the normal HD audio WITHOUT all the Atmos information.

Would someone mind refreshing me about how BDRB handles this kind of audio?

Thanks!

It does nothing special. There are clearly defined standards for BD audio, and nowhere is "Atmos" a part of that standard. So the audio has to appear, at least, to be one of the standard formats. The audio equipment is responsible for providing the Atmos extension information directly from the digital data (I would presume).

So if you keep the track intact, the Atmos extension data stays. If you reencode, the output is Dolby 5.1 reencoded from the data that is present in compliance with the BD standard.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

It does nothing special. There are clearly defined standards for BD audio, and nowhere is "Atmos" a part of that standard. So the audio has to appear, at least, to be one of the standard formats. The audio equipment is responsible for providing the Atmos extension information directly from the digital data (I would presume).

So if you keep the track intact, the Atmos extension data stays. If you reencode, the output is Dolby 5.1 reencoded from the data that is present in compliance with the BD standard.

Ah, I hadn't realized that Atmos in indeed NOT part of the Blu-ray standard (although that's odd then that they do make commercial Blu-rays with the dang thing...???) Good to know then, thanks!

I suppose that if the Atmos stuff adds THAT much size to the audio track, there may be ways to transcode it using UsEAC3to or TSMuxer or something in the future. Seems like I was reading a thread about that somewhere...

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by Ch3vr0n

It handled it just fine for me, but then again I do keep audio intact myself too.

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Did you notice, as the guy was saying, that like with 'TRANSFORMERS 4' the full intact audio came out to about 7 Gigs? Wouldn't you think that that would kind of cramp a person's style a bit with re-encoding, taking up that much space...?

[Ch3vr0n]

7gig is nothing on a 25gb disc. (Exact space is 23.5) which still leaves 16.5gb for the movie, with the power of x264 that's plenty. Even more when English is the only audio you keep. I didn't notice any pixellation issues on my 42" TV.

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[Lathe]

Originally Posted by Ch3vr0n

7gig is nothing on a 25gb disc. (Exact space is 23.5) which still leaves 16.5gb for the movie, with the power of x264 that's plenty. Even more when English is the only audio you keep. I didn't notice any pixellation issues on my 42" TV.

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Thanks Ch3vr0n! Just seemed like a lot to me, although I always keep intact audio in English. After all, you ARE talking about almost 1/3 of the space for audio! I think the largest HD audio steams I can remember were about 4 Gigs, maybe a bit more, so 7 just seems like a lot. But, you are quite right of course; x264 is amazing enough to handle it, I would suppose

[worknstiff]

@ Lathe RE: Just seemed like a lot to me, although I always keep intact audio in English.

I always want to keep the HD audio too. If you process Transformer 4 with BD_Rebuilder you will find in the work folder the following audio files for the 00800.mpls

* 00800.4352.ac3 = 5.79gb
* 00800.4353.ac3 = 755mb
* 00800.4358.ac3 = 755mb

which adds up to 7.26gb, which is a LOT of audio. I am tempted to think that the "ATMOS" sound info is just in the two =755mb ac3's but maybe jdobbs would be able to tell us more about how that works. He is after all the master of all things bluray, lol. I wish there was a checkmark to keep only the DTS-HD 7.1 audio and discard the ATMOS but I guess it would mean a lot more of a headache than just deleting the two 755mb ac3 files. How many people will have 128 different speakers in their home anyway, I myself only have a 5.1 setup but want to keep the 7.1 in case I decide to upgrade the rear channels some time. Hope to see some more discussion about ATMOS cause it looks like this will become the norm on blu ray especially with the upcoming 4K ultra blu rays.

[andref4]

Dolby Atmos to DTS-HD is not possible without reencoding the track. But there is no Freeware that can do this. You can only extract the HD track to a normal 5.1 track by loosing the core infos. On Transformers 4 BD is only the english track an Atmos track and thats not my language I watch movies.

[Lathe]

Originally Posted by worknstiff

@ Lathe RE: Just seemed like a lot to me, although I always keep intact audio in English.

I always want to keep the HD audio too. If you process Transformer 4 with BD_Rebuilder you will find in the work folder the following audio files for the 00800.mpls

* 00800.4352.ac3 = 5.79gb
* 00800.4353.ac3 = 755mb
* 00800.4358.ac3 = 755mb

which adds up to 7.26gb, which is a LOT of audio. I am tempted to think that the "ATMOS" sound info is just in the two =755mb ac3's but maybe jdobbs would be able to tell us more about how that works. He is after all the master of all things bluray, lol. I wish there was a checkmark to keep only the DTS-HD 7.1 audio and discard the ATMOS but I guess it would mean a lot more of a headache than just deleting the two 755mb ac3 files. How many people will have 128 different speakers in their home anyway, I myself only have a 5.1 setup but want to keep the 7.1 in case I decide to upgrade the rear channels some time. Hope to see some more discussion about ATMOS cause it looks like this will become the norm on blu ray especially with the upcoming 4K ultra blu rays.

Hmmm, well I suppose that it will just take time for us to get used to the format and learn what ways there are in order to deal with it whether we wish to keep it in full or extract / transcode to whatever else we may want. I THINK I remember reading a thread about usEAC3to where they were discussing at length wanting to be able to process Atmos audio, but at the time the GUI wasn't accepting it.

[rnewste]

I have been able to preserve Atmos audio with BD Rebuilder, and it plays back fine on my Denon X5200 Receiver.

Raybo

[jdobbs]

Exactly. There's really no "processing" required if you want to keep it. Just keep the original audio intact.

[AmigaFuture]

Originally Posted by Lathe

Thanks Ch3vr0n! Just seemed like a lot to me, although I always keep intact audio in English. After all, you ARE talking about almost 1/3 of the space for audio! I think the largest HD audio steams I can remember were about 4 Gigs, maybe a bit more, so 7 just seems like a lot. But, you are quite right of course; x264 is amazing enough to handle it, I would suppose

7 GB for audio is a bit much. Even for BD-25. I don't need or care about all the "Special Sound Effects" for movie..so rerendering that to smaller is cool...and keeps sweeter video.

@JD

I bought Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2 in a pack, and have noticed if first movie is processed (without any rerendering) to just have warning and stuff removed and not keeping any 480i which has mixed Telecine and Interlaced, it completes well. However, if I switch to BD-25 output and enable rerendering the final mux fails. It does have a secondary video..

Long list of tests...so attached instead of posted; including config.