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Voyeurism · 19th January 2011, 15:24

Ok, thanks for confirming.

I demuxed the rebuilt m2ts file and checked the properties for the video and two audio streams - both audio streams are roughly 2 seconds longer than the video stream. This suggests to me that the problem is with the frame rate of the video stream, although I don't know why. I've uninstalled Avisynth, Ffdshow, Haali, and removed BD-RB then redownloaded and reinstalled everything and left it running on NEW_MOON while I'm at work.

I realise this isn't a support thread, but if this doesn't work, do you have any thoughts on what the issue could be, or things I could try? I must admit I don't really know much about digital video so I mostly just leave everything on he default settings - I'm at a bit of a loss here, now that I know the problem is not with BD-RB.

Video Dude · 19th January 2011, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyeurism

I demuxed the rebuilt m2ts file and checked the properties for the video and two audio streams - both audio streams are roughly 2 seconds longer than the video stream. This suggests to me that the problem is with the frame rate of the video stream

What is the framerate of the demuxed reencoded video?

Since you demuxed the files, did you try to mux the reencoded video with the demuxed audio from the original disc (untouched, not reencoded)? This way you can narrow it down to a video or audio problem causing the sync issue.

Voyeurism · 19th January 2011, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Video Dude

What is the framerate of the demuxed reencoded video?

I was under the impression that the demuxed video stream (which is a .264 file) did not have a "framerate" as such, since tsmuxer requires you to specify a framerate for h264 video because it can't determine it from the video stream itself. If this is incorrect, how do I find the framerate of the demuxed video stream?

Capsbackup · 19th January 2011, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyeurism

I was under the impression that the demuxed video stream (which is a .264 file) did not have a "framerate" as such, since tsmuxer requires you to specify a framerate for h264 video because it can't determine it from the video stream itself. If this is incorrect, how do I find the framerate of the demuxed video stream?

MediaInfoRaw, dgavcdec, and DGMPGDEC (for mpeg2 ) will give you that info.

jdobbs · 19th January 2011, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyeurism

Ok, thanks for confirming.

I demuxed the rebuilt m2ts file and checked the properties for the video and two audio streams - both audio streams are roughly 2 seconds longer than the video stream. This suggests to me that the problem is with the frame rate of the video stream, although I don't know why. I've uninstalled Avisynth, Ffdshow, Haali, and removed BD-RB then redownloaded and reinstalled everything and left it running on NEW_MOON while I'm at work.

I realise this isn't a support thread, but if this doesn't work, do you have any thoughts on what the issue could be, or things I could try? I must admit I don't really know much about digital video so I mostly just leave everything on he default settings - I'm at a bit of a loss here, now that I know the problem is not with BD-RB.

My guess would be CODEC issues... something on your system is likely interfering with BD-RB or one of it's support apps. The code is the code and has to work the same way on any computer.

PurpleMan · 20th January 2011, 09:52

Hey jdobbs,

any plans on getting to 3D blu-ray processing soon?

Thanks

DVD Maniac · 20th January 2011, 11:02

@jdobbs

Just picking up on the various discussions regarding "The Expendables" (PAL) in December i'm having major issues with this one converting to Movie Only 9GB output. When I ran it with the last but one version of BD Rebuilder around a third the way in it branches out to the Directors commentary and the audio goes way out of sync. I tried it again with the current version and now I get no audio at all but with the same branching problem at exactly the same point. I can send you the log file if that would help but i'm guessing from the previous posts you are familiar with the structure of this one - loads of m2ts's in the main movie playlist!

Sicilian · 20th January 2011, 13:10

I have searched this thread, but cannot find an answer to my question. I have successfully backed up about 50 movies with this program. However, every once in a while I will burn a disc that plays perfectly except for the audio. All the menus and functions are there, but the main movie has no audio at all.

To add to my confusion, I can play the created folder with TMT5, and the problem does not exist. This only happens with the burned discs on my player. I have a Sony BDP-S350. I have the latest firmware update, as well.

The last movie that this happened with was Bourne Identity. I backed up to a BD-5 and burned with Imgburn. I used version 3701.

Let me know what I need to post to help answer this bug question.

Capsbackup · 20th January 2011, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sicilian

I have searched this thread, but cannot find an answer to my question. I have successfully backed up about 50 movies with this program. However, every once in a while I will burn a disc that plays perfectly except for the audio. All the menus and functions are there, but the main movie has no audio at all.

To add to my confusion, I can play the created folder with TMT5, and the problem does not exist. This only happens with the burned discs on my player. I have a Sony BDP-S350. I have the latest firmware update, as well.

The last movie that this happened with was Bourne Identity. I backed up to a BD-5 and burned with Imgburn. I used version 3701.

Let me know what I need to post to help answer this bug question.

This problem happens only with movies that have PiP, backups are made to BD5/9 media and seems to be more of an issue with Sony players. This same backup, if burned to BD-R/RE would work perfectly, except of course no secondary audio if it is DTS Express. ( The Bourne Identity has DTS Express )

worknstiff · 20th January 2011, 15:40

I have to wonder what kind of quality a "FULL" Bourne Identity (118 minutes) backup to BD-5 would look like? I recently did the "Once Upon A Time In America", and it runs just shy of 4 hrs, and backed it up to a "Movie Only" BD-9. Granted the movie has a soft and fuzzy look to it especially in the dark interior scenes but when comparing it to the original I can see some occasional ringing and halos in it. I have noticed in a few movies lately that the backups have slight problems in dimly lit scenes that contain fog or smoke. I don't know if this is inherent in the h264 codec or in the tighter compression being used for these longer titles? I am redoing "OUATIA" this time to a BD-25 "Movie Only", but which is preferable for "ONE PASS" if you don't use the automatic settings, "CBR or ABR"? Thanks for the help and to jdobbs for the great program.

jdobbs · 20th January 2011, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by worknstiff

I have to wonder what kind of quality a "FULL" Bourne Identity (118 minutes) backup to BD-5 would look like? I recently did the "Once Upon A Time In America", and it runs just shy of 4 hrs, and backed it up to a "Movie Only" BD-9. Granted the movie has a soft and fuzzy look to it especially in the dark interior scenes but when comparing it to the original I can see some occasional ringing and halos in it. I have noticed in a few movies lately that the backups have slight problems in dimly lit scenes that contain fog or smoke. I don't know if this is inherent in the h264 codec or in the tighter compression being used for these longer titles? I am redoing "OUATIA" this time to a BD-25 "Movie Only", but which is preferable for "ONE PASS" if you don't use the automatic settings, "CBR or ABR"? Thanks for the help and to jdobbs for the great program.

While X264 is an incredible program -- the bottom line is that 4 hours is probably just too much for a backup to BD-9. You can do it and it isn't actually bad looking, but you'll lose some quality. These days with BD-9s down around 40 cents apiece and BDs at around a dollar, I typically do movie-only backups to BD-9 and full backups to BD-25. That way I'm satisfied that the backup is just as good as the original.

Generally CRF is superior to one pass ABR -- but it has to estimate its output, so you might over/undersize. Two pass is a way to always ensure you are getting the best quality in space available, and if quality is your goal, why choose between to modes that are both inferior to two-pass?

The thing is, though, that sometimes at high bitrates (like on a BD-25) you can't see the difference between any of the modes. That's why I still recommend "Automatic" -- it adjusts depending upon the target, is based on a lot of encoding experience, and almost always gives you the best balance of encoding time to quality output.

jdobbs · 20th January 2011, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Yes, it's actually the same code that supports both. Remember, though, it'll still be experimental (interpret that as "use a BD-RE").

Will do!

I have 4 BD-RE's and several Blu-rays with DTS Express secondary audio, so I will be running many tests and will let you know my results.

Well... this isn't going well. I just ran into some issues that may take some time. It may not be in the next release.

drmih · 20th January 2011, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Well... this isn't going well. I just ran into some issues that may take some time. It may not be in the next release.

I have also been keeping dts express images put aside for testing (about 20 or 30), so if you want to collect a lot of data using a 'beta' which may not work very reliably, I'm happy to run a version on a secondary machine for you to avoid the loads of replies you'll get in this thread from an unstable version.

Voyeurism · 20th January 2011, 20:30

Ok, the results are in - apologies for the length of this post, but I think some of this is pretty interesting.

Remuxing (to m2ts, using tsmuxer) the demuxed reencoded video with the demuxed untouched DTS audio track still results in the audio being out of sync, although it seems that perhaps it is less out of sync than with the reencoded audio - I don't have a particularly scientific method of measuring that. Per Video Dude's logic this would mean the problem lies with the reencoded video. However...

DGAVCIndex shows the framerate of the demuxed reencoded as 23.976024 fps:

This is exactly the same as the demuxed original video stream, which would suggest there is no problem with the framerate of the reencoded video.

So what's the problem? Assuming it was the audio that was the wrong length, I decided to check the length of all the tracks - I remuxed the video and audio from the untouched m2ts into an mkv container so that I could open them in Quicktime on my Macbook (this is the only way I know of getting this info). I also did the same with the reencoded video and audio streams. The results (untouched streams on the bottom) are:

So it looks like BD-RB is dealing with each stream properly, and for some reason the fact that the video stream is ~2 secs shorter than the audio streams matters for the rebuilt BD-5, but not for the original Bluray.

At some point in my investigations I also figured it would be a good idea to count the frames in each video stream - I couldn't work out how to do this in any of the software I had installed, but I noticed that BD-RB put this information into the log file for each encode - so I loaded the rebuilt BD-5 into BD-RB as a source, and set it running. The relevant sections from the log files are:

TWIGHLIGHT_NEW_MOON

Original

Code:

[20:12:04] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  TWILIGHT_NEW_MOON
  - Input BD size: 32.76 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:10:38.831]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[20:12:05] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [20:12:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [20:27:09] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [20:27:09] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 187,944 frames

BD-5

Code:

[06:59:57] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  TWILIGHT_NEW_MOON
  - Input BD size: 4.24 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:10:40.863]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[06:59:57] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [06:59:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [07:06:08] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [07:06:08] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 187,993 frames
   - Bitrate: 3,697 Kbs

So the reencoded video stream has gained 49 frames from somewhere. I didn't know whether this was expected of BD-RB output (as I said previously, I don't really know much about digital video stuff), so I also loaded some of the other BD-5s that I had, and compared to the log for when they were backed up:

RESIDENT_EVIL

Original

Code:

[08:34:48] BD Rebuilder v0.37.02 (beta)
  - Source:  RESIDENT_EVIL
  - Input BD size: 23.73 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:40:31.018]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[08:34:49] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [08:34:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
 - [08:48:16] Reencoding: VID_00011 (1 of 1)
 - [08:48:16] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 144,600 frames
   - Bitrate: 4,347 Kbs

BD-5

Code:

[07:14:20] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  RESIDENT_EVIL
  - Input BD size: 4.22 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:40:31.039]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:14:21] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [07:14:21] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [07:16:58] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [07:16:58] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 144,600 frames
   - Bitrate: 4,546 Kbs

THE_DARK_KNIGHT

Original

Code:

[02:00:09] BD Rebuilder v0.37.02 (beta)
  - Source:  THE_DARK_KNIGHT
  - Input BD size: 34.76 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:32:13.332]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[02:00:11] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [02:00:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00007]
 - [02:17:27] Reencoding: VID_00007 (1 of 1)
 - [02:17:27] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 218,981 frames
   - Bitrate: 3,064 Kbs

BD-5

Code:

[07:17:56] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  THE_DARK_KNIGHT
  - Input BD size: 4.26 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:32:13.311]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:17:58] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [07:17:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [07:20:25] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [07:20:25] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 218,980 frames
   - Bitrate: 3,064 Kbs

THE_DAY_AFTER_TOMORROW

Original

Code:

[07:56:41] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  THE_DAY_AFTER_TOMORROW
  - Input BD size: 30.19 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:03:40.408]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:56:42] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [07:56:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [08:19:23] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
 - [08:19:23] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 177,912 frames
   - Bitrate: 3,336 Kbs

BD-5

Code:

[07:20:59] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  THE_DAY_AFTER_TOMORROW
  - Input BD size: 4.21 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:03:40.426]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:21:01] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [07:21:01] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [07:23:24] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [07:23:24] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 177,912 frames
   - Bitrate: 3,427 Kbs

so THE_DARK_KNIGHT has actually lost one frame, but the others are identical which suggested to me that I should normally expect BD-RB to produce output with the same number of frames as the input. So I compared the other BD-5 on which I have noticed audio sync issues:

CURIOUS_CASE_BENJAMIN_BUTTON

Original

Code:

[07:09:07] BD Rebuilder v0.37.02 (beta)
  - Source:  CURIOUS_CASE_BENJAMIN_BUTTON
  - Input BD size: 40.66 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:46:03.244]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:09:07] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [07:09:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
 - [07:30:30] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 1)
 - [07:30:30] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 238,879 frames
   - Bitrate: 2,251 Kbs

BD-5

Code:

[19:12:50] BD Rebuilder v0.37.03 (beta)
  - Source:  CURIOUS_CASE_BENJAMIN_BUTTON
  - Input BD size: 4.22 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:46:04.191]
  - Target BD size: 4.36 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
  - Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[19:12:52] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [19:12:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
 - [19:15:07] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
 - [19:15:07] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 238,901 frames
   - Bitrate: 2,251 Kbs

And what do you know, it's gained some (22) frames as well. This can't be a coincidence, but I don't know enough about how any of these programs work to be able to work out what the cause is. I'm now hoping that someone will be able to interpret this information and tell me what's going on here, since I'm starting to go a little crazy.

jdobbs · 20th January 2011, 20:45

Ok... here's a riddle. Why is it only happening to you?

Voyeurism · 20th January 2011, 23:31

Right - I'm not an idiot, I understand that you think there is an issue with the codecs on my system or something is interfering with BD-RB or its supporting applications. Since I don't know what that issue is, or what is interfering with BD-RB, I can either reformat my system drive and reinstall the OS or I can try to ascertain what the problem is. I had hoped that I could obtain some help in finding the problem, given that you and others posting in this thread clearly have a far better understanding of what these programs are actually doing than I do, but if you don't want to help me then I guess that's your prerogative - others had made posts which indicated that they were interested in helping.

It just seems like a strange attitude for someone to have when they're relying on the help of others in identifying and isolating bugs in software which they produce - even if the issue is a conflict with something else installed on my system it seems like a very subjective view to take that the issue is really that "'software x' is interfering with BD-RB", rather than "BD-RB doesn't function properly if 'software x' is installed". If you're expecting every user of your software to run it on a dedicated box with just the bare OS installed, good luck with that.

omegaman7 · 20th January 2011, 23:42

Voyeurism, there really shouldn't be a need for a complete reformat. That's a rare occurrence indeed. That's a last resort. First resort being removing completely, everything pertaining to video/audio codecs. My dedicated machine has zero codec packs installed. I've never had any problems playing any file on that machine either. I know damn little about this stuff. I just understand at a Subconscious level, that having extra codecs/things installed, could wreak havoc with almost any encoder. Including the ability to play files. Perhaps a setting is simply mucked up somewhere. Reinstalling the necessary software will no doubt correct the issue. If that is indeed the issue. If not, perhaps something in the registry is screwy.

I have not reformatted either of my machines in well over a year. I prefer a dedicated machine, because it takes a great deal of time to encode. Even for a quad core. Heck, even a 6core machine gets it's a$$ handed to it LOL!

Sicilian · 21st January 2011, 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

This problem happens only with movies that have PiP, backups are made to BD5/9 media and seems to be more of an issue with Sony players. This same backup, if burned to BD-R/RE would work perfectly, except of course no secondary audio if it is DTS Express. ( The Bourne Identity has DTS Express )

I hope there is a work-around to this. If I can remember, this has happened even with movie-only backups (I could be wrong though). I really didn't want to invest in a BD-R burner at this time.

worknstiff · 21st January 2011, 00:31

Quote: Jdobbs---Two pass is a way to always ensure you are getting the best quality in space available.

I guess that was the true answer I was looking for, that if you want the best quality, then using 2 pass is the best. thanks for your input. I am really pleased with the quality of most of my copys but when you start putting too much time on one disk you do find limitations. Just like encoding time vs encoding quality. What a world, the devil really is in the details with trade offs and compromises everywhere.

@Voyeurism: I feel your pain! There is nothing like have a computer conundrum to make you feel like the world and everyone in it is against you, lol. I had a few weird things happen when I first started playing around with BD_Rebuilder. I had the audio sync problems with only a few titles, and I spent a long time trying to fix them because the encoding time spent felt like such a waste. I don't know what kind of system you have but I have a Dual Core 6700 running @2.66 & 4GB running Vista 32bit on my encoding machine. I built a new system for my main use and use the Dual Core one only for encoding. I have the internet off and no AV or any background stuff like indexing running and still the CPU is maxed out and memory at 64%. When I only had one computer to use and tried surfing the internet and opening other apps I had weird problems on some of my encodes, but now I usually have no probs. I did in the past have sync issues with Benjamin Button, That Evening Sun, Ghost Writer, & Max & Me, but the latest BD_Rebuilder version fixed those problem disks, at least for me anyhow. You might could try putting the 2 hour or more movies on BD-9 disks instead of squeezing them on a BD-5. Your mileage may vary, lol. Good luck, Voyeurism

Sicilian · 21st January 2011, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by worknstiff

I have to wonder what kind of quality a "FULL" Bourne Identity (118 minutes) backup to BD-5 would look like? I recently did the "Once Upon A Time In America", and it runs just shy of 4 hrs, and backed it up to a "Movie Only" BD-9. Granted the movie has a soft and fuzzy look to it especially in the dark interior scenes but when comparing it to the original I can see some occasional ringing and halos in it. I have noticed in a few movies lately that the backups have slight problems in dimly lit scenes that contain fog or smoke. I don't know if this is inherent in the h264 codec or in the tighter compression being used for these longer titles? I am redoing "OUATIA" this time to a BD-25 "Movie Only", but which is preferable for "ONE PASS" if you don't use the automatic settings, "CBR or ABR"? Thanks for the help and to jdobbs for the great program.

I don't yet own a Blu-ray burner, so I have to rely on BD-5 and BD-9. I have found that using "automatic quality settings" to BD-9 works pretty well for any movie I have done. Granted my TV is a 5 year old 46" LCD with a lower contrast ratio, but all I really notice is some 'blocking' in low-action parts of the movie. The blocking is only noticeable where there are large areas of a single color - like a flat painted wall in the background.

I use BD-5's for movies that are a bit older, and were not made when Blu-ray or HDDVD were around. It seems like a BD-9 for a 2 hour movie from 1993 is just a waste, even for a full backup - I can hardly see a difference, if any. This is just my opinion, and I don't want to start a debate about this, as I know there are those who want a copy as close to the original as possible. I debated using a BD-5 for Bourne Identity, and decided to do it as a little experiment. It turned out very well - the h264 codec continues to amaze me!!!

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Sicilian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Republic Posts: 7	No audio I have searched this thread, but cannot find an answer to my question. I have successfully backed up about 50 movies with this program. However, every once in a while I will burn a disc that plays perfectly except for the audio. All the menus and functions are there, but the main movie has no audio at all. To add to my confusion, I can play the created folder with TMT5, and the problem does not exist. This only happens with the burned discs on my player. I have a Sony BDP-S350. I have the latest firmware update, as well. The last movie that this happened with was Bourne Identity. I backed up to a BD-5 and burned with Imgburn. I used version 3701. Let me know what I need to post to help answer this bug question. __________________ 1965 Daytona Cobra Coupe

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19th January 2011, 15:24	#11041 \| Link
Voyeurism Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14	Ok, thanks for confirming. I demuxed the rebuilt m2ts file and checked the properties for the video and two audio streams - both audio streams are roughly 2 seconds longer than the video stream. This suggests to me that the problem is with the frame rate of the video stream, although I don't know why. I've uninstalled Avisynth, Ffdshow, Haali, and removed BD-RB then redownloaded and reinstalled everything and left it running on NEW_MOON while I'm at work. I realise this isn't a support thread, but if this doesn't work, do you have any thoughts on what the issue could be, or things I could try? I must admit I don't really know much about digital video so I mostly just leave everything on he default settings - I'm at a bit of a loss here, now that I know the problem is not with BD-RB.

20th January 2011, 09:52	#11046 \| Link
PurpleMan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 273	Hey jdobbs, any plans on getting to 3D blu-ray processing soon? Thanks

20th January 2011, 11:02	#11047 \| Link
DVD Maniac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 413	@jdobbs Just picking up on the various discussions regarding "The Expendables" (PAL) in December i'm having major issues with this one converting to Movie Only 9GB output. When I ran it with the last but one version of BD Rebuilder around a third the way in it branches out to the Directors commentary and the audio goes way out of sync. I tried it again with the current version and now I get no audio at all but with the same branching problem at exactly the same point. I can send you the log file if that would help but i'm guessing from the previous posts you are familiar with the structure of this one - loads of m2ts's in the main movie playlist!

20th January 2011, 15:40	#11050 \| Link
worknstiff Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 314	I have to wonder what kind of quality a "FULL" Bourne Identity (118 minutes) backup to BD-5 would look like? I recently did the "Once Upon A Time In America", and it runs just shy of 4 hrs, and backed it up to a "Movie Only" BD-9. Granted the movie has a soft and fuzzy look to it especially in the dark interior scenes but when comparing it to the original I can see some occasional ringing and halos in it. I have noticed in a few movies lately that the backups have slight problems in dimly lit scenes that contain fog or smoke. I don't know if this is inherent in the h264 codec or in the tighter compression being used for these longer titles? I am redoing "OUATIA" this time to a BD-25 "Movie Only", but which is preferable for "ONE PASS" if you don't use the automatic settings, "CBR or ABR"? Thanks for the help and to jdobbs for the great program.

20th January 2011, 23:31	#11056 \| Link
Voyeurism Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14	Right - I'm not an idiot, I understand that you think there is an issue with the codecs on my system or something is interfering with BD-RB or its supporting applications. Since I don't know what that issue is, or what is interfering with BD-RB, I can either reformat my system drive and reinstall the OS or I can try to ascertain what the problem is. I had hoped that I could obtain some help in finding the problem, given that you and others posting in this thread clearly have a far better understanding of what these programs are actually doing than I do, but if you don't want to help me then I guess that's your prerogative - others had made posts which indicated that they were interested in helping. It just seems like a strange attitude for someone to have when they're relying on the help of others in identifying and isolating bugs in software which they produce - even if the issue is a conflict with something else installed on my system it seems like a very subjective view to take that the issue is really that "'software x' is interfering with BD-RB", rather than "BD-RB doesn't function properly if 'software x' is installed". If you're expecting every user of your software to run it on a dedicated box with just the bare OS installed, good luck with that.

20th January 2011, 23:42	#11057 \| Link
omegaman7 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA, Oregon Posts: 791	Voyeurism, there really shouldn't be a need for a complete reformat. That's a rare occurrence indeed. That's a last resort. First resort being removing completely, everything pertaining to video/audio codecs. My dedicated machine has zero codec packs installed. I've never had any problems playing any file on that machine either. I know damn little about this stuff. I just understand at a Subconscious level, that having extra codecs/things installed, could wreak havoc with almost any encoder. Including the ability to play files. Perhaps a setting is simply mucked up somewhere. Reinstalling the necessary software will no doubt correct the issue. If that is indeed the issue. If not, perhaps something in the registry is screwy. I have not reformatted either of my machines in well over a year. I prefer a dedicated machine, because it takes a great deal of time to encode. Even for a quad core. Heck, even a 6core machine gets it's a$$ handed to it LOL!

21st January 2011, 00:31	#11059 \| Link
worknstiff Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 314	Quote: Jdobbs---Two pass is a way to always ensure you are getting the best quality in space available. I guess that was the true answer I was looking for, that if you want the best quality, then using 2 pass is the best. thanks for your input. I am really pleased with the quality of most of my copys but when you start putting too much time on one disk you do find limitations. Just like encoding time vs encoding quality. What a world, the devil really is in the details with trade offs and compromises everywhere. @Voyeurism: I feel your pain! There is nothing like have a computer conundrum to make you feel like the world and everyone in it is against you, lol. I had a few weird things happen when I first started playing around with BD_Rebuilder. I had the audio sync problems with only a few titles, and I spent a long time trying to fix them because the encoding time spent felt like such a waste. I don't know what kind of system you have but I have a Dual Core 6700 running @2.66 & 4GB running Vista 32bit on my encoding machine. I built a new system for my main use and use the Dual Core one only for encoding. I have the internet off and no AV or any background stuff like indexing running and still the CPU is maxed out and memory at 64%. When I only had one computer to use and tried surfing the internet and opening other apps I had weird problems on some of my encodes, but now I usually have no probs. I did in the past have sync issues with Benjamin Button, That Evening Sun, Ghost Writer, & Max & Me, but the latest BD_Rebuilder version fixed those problem disks, at least for me anyhow. You might could try putting the 2 hour or more movies on BD-9 disks instead of squeezing them on a BD-5. Your mileage may vary, lol. Good luck, Voyeurism