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[Sharc]

Originally Posted by laserfan

Good work jdobbs I re-did Salt using 45.02 and the audio problems appear fixed. It *does* seem as though BD-RB ignores custom sizes though: I set the hiddenopt CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500, and under the Settings>Output Options is checked Custom Target Size ( 23500MB ), but in the BD-REBUILDER.LOG it says " - Target BD size: 22.95 GB" and the final result for me Windows Properties for the output folder shows

Size: 22.1 GB (23,813,710,577 bytes)

though maybe I am misunderstanding the "GB" and "MB" usages and thus the actual bytes of output is correct and to-be-expected?

These conversions tend to create confusion.
Strictly, the conversion factor between kB, MB, GB is 1000 while the conversion factor between kiB, MiB, GiB is 1024.
So in fact 23500 MiB = 22.949 GiB which is actually what you get but with the "wrong" (but more familiar) units GB instead of GiB.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by colinhunt

Allrighty. I imported 4 anime discs into a single compilation, and opened it in the IMPORTS directory. Stream window lists VIDs 01-04, each has two English subtitle tracks. If I select Full Backup, I can't force either of the two sub tracks. Same thing with Quick-Play Backup. Movie-Only lets me force a sub track, but the backup will contain only one of the four VIDs.

Hmmm.... I forgot about that. I'll add the capability to Quick-Play for the next release.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by laserfan

Good work jdobbs I re-did Salt using 45.02 and the audio problems appear fixed. It *does* seem as though BD-RB ignores custom sizes though: I set the hiddenopt CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500, and under the Settings>Output Options is checked Custom Target Size ( 23500MB ), but in the BD-REBUILDER.LOG it says " - Target BD size: 22.95 GB" and the final result for me Windows Properties for the output folder shows

Size: 22.1 GB (23,813,710,577 bytes)

though maybe I am misunderstanding the "GB" and "MB" usages and thus the actual bytes of output is correct and to-be-expected?

Yes. (22.95/1024)=23500.8

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

15000 is perfectly right for SD media (BD5 and BD9). With higher values you risk to run into problems (stutter) during playback.
What is your target medium?

He's outputting to an MKV -- so I see his problem.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

These conversions tend to create confusion.
Strictly, the conversion factor between kB, MB, GB is 1000 while the conversion factor between kiB, MiB, GiB is 1024.
So in fact 23500 MiB = 22.949 GiB which is actually what you get but with the "wrong" (but more familiar) units GB instead of GiB.

In computer terms they are all strictly multiples of an even binary number -- or at least it was when I went to college many years ago (and when I taught college a few years later). So 1KB = 1024 bytes. One megabyte is (1024 * 1024). One gigabyte is (1024 * 1024 * 1024). But hard drive manufacturers did it incorrectly to make is look like it is more than it really is and got all the notation screwed up -- so then people started adding GiB etc to confuse a fairly simple concept. So one true GB is 1,073,741,824 bytes, hexadecimal 0x40000000. In binary it is 1000000000000000000000000000000.

So if you buy 1GB of internal memory you are getting 1,073,741,824 bytes of memory. But if you get a 1GB hard drive it only has 1,000,000,000 bytes. I hate it when the same term means two different things and I refuse to accept it. What good is a standard unit of measure that means two different things or changes definitions with at the drop of a hat?

[laserfan]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Yes. (22.95/1024)=23500.8

Ok, well then I have to ask why you would mix these in the program i.e. I put 23500MB into the CUSTOM as I said, and your Settings reports exactly that, but in the log it's stated another way. It seems to me I might not be the only user that's been confused by this.

I do concur with your long-standing arguments about "why risk over-running the 25,025,314,816 bytes total available" but in this case if you remember I had run it before already, and so thought this time I'd up the ante cuz before I'd left fully two gigabytes on the table vs. this time which was still about 1.2GB left over.

Just sayin' maybe to let the program report consistently so users don't have to second guess these.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by laserfan

Ok, well then I have to ask why you would mix these in the program i.e. I put 23500MB into the CUSTOM as I said, and your Settings reports exactly that, but in the log it's stated another way. It seems to me I might not be the only user that's been confused by this.

I do concur with your long-standing arguments about "why risk over-running the 25,025,314,816 bytes total available" but in this case if you remember I had run it before already, and so thought this time I'd up the ante cuz before I'd left fully two gigabytes on the table vs. this time which was still about 1.2GB left over.

Just sayin' maybe to let the program report consistently so users don't have to second guess these.

But it is consistent. I report in standard units in both instances. I made it possible to enter it in MB so you can have a greater level of granularity. If someone told you to go a kilometer, would you insist that he call it 1,000 meters instead?

Damn. I sure seem to be in an argumentative mood lately. Maybe I need to switch to decaf.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

He's outputting to an MKV -- so I see his problem.

I see, but wouldn't the 15000 limit nevertheless apply if the .mkv is going to be burnt to a SD disc (single or double layer "DVD") due to limited disk spinning speed? For other media it can be higher of course (40000 IIRC for BD25 or BD50).

[jdobbs]

@Darth_Emma

Do a Quick-Play backup of "Monsters University". It can do the backup with only the movie -- and keep the audio in-sync. Quick-Play keeps the original multi-part structure (it also can keep multiple angles or playlists that use the same pieces without increasing required storage). Right after selecting Quick-Play, click on "Edit Quick Play menu". You'll notice that there are three different versions of the film on the disc. I selected only the first one by itself, but you should be able to keep them all if you want with minimal impact. I'm not sure what the differences are -- maybe language or extended cuts, I didn't look.

Anyway, I ended up with a movie-only backup where everything is in-sync.

In any event, I still need to analyze the source to find why there is something making it different from other multi-part discs in a standard movie-only backup.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

I see, but wouldn't the 15000 limit nevertheless apply if the .mkv is going to be burnt to a SD disc (single or double layer "DVD") due to limited disk spinning speed? For other media it can be higher of course (40000 IIRC for BD25 or BD50).

Maybe, maybe not. If it was going to be played on a standalone player, probably so. But since computer drives can spin at more than the required 1x it may not matter. (added note: Actually I think AVCHD requires 2x if I remember properly -- but the point remains).

Anyway, I said I was going to do it, and I like to think I always keep my word.

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

But it is consistent. I report in standard units in both instances. I made it possible to enter it in MB so you can have a greater level of granularity. If someone told you to go a kilometer, would you insist that he call it 1,000 meters instead?

No problem unless someone would insist on 1,024 meters

[laserfan]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Damn. I sure seem to be in an argumentative mood lately. Maybe I need to switch to decaf.

Maybe this will put you in a better mood--I just sent you $20 bucks. I do appreciate your work, despite that I don't always understand it...!

I wanna make a joke now about "opening a floodgate" of donations for you, but maybe the timing is wrong for that sensitive subject. It's obvious you sure have put a lot of work into the latest updates, and so my nit is ill-timed. Anyway,



BTW I think maybe you missed my point, which was simply: if I put 23500MB into CUSTOM, then the log should say 23,500MB (or 23.5GB). That's all I was saying; it looks wrong to the un-initiated.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Sharc

No problem unless someone would insist on 1,024 meters

If it were inside a computer generated virtual world... it would have to be.

[AmigaFuture]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

So if you buy 1GB of internal memory you are getting 1,073,741,824 bytes of memory. But if you get a 1GB hard drive it only has 1,000,000,000 bytes. I hate it when the same term means two different things and I refuse to accept it. What good is a standard unit of measure that means two different things or changes definitions with at the drop of a hat?

That's awesome and I agree completely.

I'm testing the Quick-Play Menu in the 4 modes with some iPad 2 videos 1080x720. The menus are displaying as they should, and are functioning very well. However, I may have misunderstood something...or..?? I also checked the hidden settings. Is there a switch or setting to set to dis/enable for the menu not to display after each video is played? Excellent for Episode...but perhaps not when you'd like the videos to play sequentially without the menu every time. Like, it's only displayed and interactive if you press the Menu button?

I appreciate the Share of your personal menu system.

[Darth_Emma]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

@Darth_Emma

Do a Quick-Play backup of "Monsters University". It can do the backup with only the movie -- and keep the audio in-sync. Quick-Play keeps the original multi-part structure (it also can keep multiple angles or playlists that use the same pieces without increasing required storage). Right after selecting Quick-Play, click on "Edit Quick Play menu". You'll notice that there are three different versions of the film on the disc. I selected only the first one by itself, but you should be able to keep them all if you want with minimal impact. I'm not sure what the differences are -- maybe language or extended cuts, I didn't look.

Anyway, I ended up with a movie-only backup where everything is in-sync.

In any event, I still need to analyze the source to find why there is something making it different from other multi-part discs in a standard movie-only backup.

Thanks, I'll try that.

I am still not sure what to do with my audio settings under the setting/setup menu. I'm going to try it with all of them unchecked.

[mparade]

I have just realized that the number of VIDS in the stream list in Full Backup Mode seems to be hanging on the target size choosen, too. According to my last information the only determining factors if a VID is reencoded or not are the "MIN_M2TS_SIZE" command and if the file is determined as a menu item. But due to some reason it seems to be depending on the target size, also. To check this, while looking at the stream list just switch to another target size and the number of VIDS to reencode will change. (At least with Jack The Giant Slayer BD Disk).

Could you please check what did I wrong?

[montana72]

Differences between the monsters bluray videos is that on-screen texts appear in the selected language.

[gonca]

Multi DVD and BD import, with convert SD to 1080 for both sets, working as expected and the menu is fully functional.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by AmigaFuture

That's awesome and I agree completely.

I'm testing the Quick-Play Menu in the 4 modes with some iPad 2 videos 1080x720. The menus are displaying as they should, and are functioning very well. However, I may have misunderstood something...or..?? I also checked the hidden settings. Is there a switch or setting to set to dis/enable for the menu not to display after each video is played? Excellent for Episode...but perhaps not when you'd like the videos to play sequentially without the menu every time. Like, it's only displayed and interactive if you press the Menu button?

I appreciate the Share of your personal menu system.

Funny you'd say that. I had originally made it work that way, and then decided to change it so it exited to the menu. I'll add a switch.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by montana72

Differences between the monsters bluray videos is that on-screen texts appear in the selected language.

Ahh.. thanks. I figured it was something like that, I just never got around to looking.