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Old 18th July 2019, 16:46   #56881  |  Link
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With the latest test builds you can set it as low as 20 nits. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...ector-203.html
(note that those are not considered ready for general use so probably no support, there have been a lot of changes)
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Old 18th July 2019, 17:25   #56882  |  Link
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I guess that the motion interpolation refers to the Envy, does anyone know any more detail about this? It could be a very interesting add-on, especially if it's CNN based.
madVR use motion vectors matching for HDR processing.
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Old 18th July 2019, 20:31   #56883  |  Link
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Can anyone help me to create 2 profiles for 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 movies?
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Old 19th July 2019, 06:08   #56884  |  Link
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Can anyone help me
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Supported numerical values:
AR, uncroppedAR, encodedAR cropped AR (aspect ratio), uncropped AR, encoded AR,

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if (AR = 16:9) and (fileName = "*horribleSubs*.mkv") "Weird profile" else "Normal profile"
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Old 19th July 2019, 06:11   #56885  |  Link
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It's easy... Frame rate is very important and Height... I use < signs and the list increases as you go down. I am sure you don't need all of these (I'm not even sure I still do after getting my 4k OLED) so you can edit these and remove some... but the logic is simple:

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if     (srcHeight < 641)  and (deintFps < 25) "720p23 Univisium"
elseif (srcHeight < 721)  and (deintFps < 25) "720p23"
elseif (srcHeight < 1041) and (deintFps < 25) "1080p23 35mm Film"
elseif (srcHeight < 1081) and (deintFps < 25) "1080p23"
elseif (srcHeight < 2161) and (deintFps < 25) "2160p23"
elseif (srcHeight < 577)  and (deintFps < 26) "576p25"
elseif (srcHeight < 721)  and (deintFps < 26) "720p25"
elseif (srcHeight < 1081) and (deintFps < 26) "1080p25"
elseif (srcHeight < 541)  and (deintFps < 31) "540p29"
elseif (srcHeight < 721)  and (deintFps < 31) "720p29"
elseif (srcHeight < 1081) and (deintFps < 31) "1080p29"
elseif (srcHeight < 577)  and (deintFps < 51) "576p50"
elseif (srcHeight < 721)  and (deintFps < 51) "720p50"
elseif (srcHeight < 1081) and (deintFps < 51) "1080p50"
elseif (srcHeight < 541)  and (deintFps < 61) "540p59"
elseif (srcHeight < 721)  and (deintFps < 61) "720p59"
elseif (srcHeight < 1081) and (deintFps < 61) "1080p59"
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Old 19th July 2019, 14:49   #56886  |  Link
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Hi all, i want just to share my experience with 1903

Yesterday I've updated and no issues so far, to be honest i saw a small improvement in the rendering times.
HDR switch is working, no strange banding, FSE still working , 10 bit is working.

I have a amd card (rx460) and amd processor (ryzen)

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Same success story here with an AMD RX 480 card. Drivers are very good and no issues for a very long time. I love AMD’s stable video refresh rate. The settings are high, but not very high. I use an GTX 1080 for games.

I am looking for the AMD RX 5700 as a replacement for the RX 480. I want to go to very high settings. Anyone experienced the RX 5700 (XT) with madvr?

PS. I didn’t noticed any banding. I will check the banding after the holidays.

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Old 20th July 2019, 00:14   #56887  |  Link
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My guess based on the only feedback given in this thread on the 5700XT us that for NGU it's about on the level of a 1080. So should be a significant step up over Polaris. Purchase it and give us some hard numbers please. We can compare performance as I have a 1080.

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Old 20th July 2019, 08:05   #56888  |  Link
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My guess based on the only feedback given in this thread on the 5700XT us that for NGU it's about on the level of a 1080. So should be a significant step up over Polaris. Purchase it and give us some hard numbers please. We can compare performance as I have a 1080.
No it's performance is much higher on my 5700 xt. You can se my settings in the settings bin from madVR. I just made a quick settings bin on my pc so all can see my scaling settings I use for all my 3 profiles, 2160p23, 1080p23 and 1080p3d. My rendering times are under 35ms on all settings. On my previous RTX2080ti I got stuttering, repeated frames every 4.7min bogus hdr and no more support for my 3d movies. On my 5700xt i have no stuttering, repeated frames every 3. hour correct hdr passthrough and support for my 3d movies

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Old 20th July 2019, 08:27   #56889  |  Link
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Pull up a couple of sample videos off the net. Play 1080 and 720 upscaled to 4k with ur settings. Show gpu utilization clock speeds and average render time, thanks. I'll compare with my card using ur settings.
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Old 20th July 2019, 12:51   #56890  |  Link
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said it before, we totally need a basic benchmark MADVR tool to shutdown at lot of these card vs card arguments, sure everyone's setups are going to be different but it would be handy to know the actual differences between cards rather than relying on hearsay and loaded screenshots.
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Old 20th July 2019, 12:51   #56891  |  Link
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said it before, we totally need a basic benchmark MADVR tool to shutdown at lot of these card vs card arguments, sure everyone's setups are going to be different but it would be handy to know the actual differences between cards rather than relying on hearsay and loaded screenshots.
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Pull up a couple of sample videos off the net. Play 1080 and 720 upscaled to 4k with ur settings. Show gpu utilization clock speeds and average render time, thanks. I'll compare with my card using ur settings.
Guys, can you make a separate thread for this? Posting the exact video samples (2160p, 1080p, 720p, 540p videos at 23/25/30 fps), so everybody can try it out with his own GPU and post back the results. That would be a nice, killing thread Thanks!
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Old 20th July 2019, 12:54   #56892  |  Link
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You can se my settings in the settings bin from madVR.
Thanks! But can you upload it somewhere else? (approval is pending)
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Guys, can you make a separate thread for this?
Don't need much to get a good idea of performance, I was thinking this would be a two post comparison and small talk. Do we want an actual madvr benchmark thread? It's not like anything else is going on here atm.

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said it before, we totally need a basic benchmark MADVR tool
Simple comparisons (NGU and tone mapping) give us a good idea of overall performance we can compare easily enough. There's also no arguments only questions.

Perhaps we should define testing criteria if there's enough desire to see this done thoroughly.

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Old 20th July 2019, 14:19   #56894  |  Link
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Simple comparisons (NGU and tone mapping) give us a good idea of overall performance we can compare easily enough.
Rendering times are actually a terrible comparison, since clocks change all the time and influence that, and most GPUs figure out how fast you need somethind and don't run at the fastest clock they can (and clock is also not always directly proportional to speed, as other things can hold it up, like memory access and the likes)

A benchmark tool that just runs certain madVR algorithms at max speed and gives you a FPS would give you a much more useful and accurate representation of actual GPU performance.
Something like that actually once existed, IIRC it was a special madVR version that just rendered to the screen at max performance, instead of being held up by VSYNC. But alas, a long time ago. Too bad madshi has so little time these days so we don't have toys like this anymore.
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Old 20th July 2019, 14:27   #56895  |  Link
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I'm aware, we've been over it enough times in this thread, which why I said clock speeds as well in an earlier post.

Yeah a tool would be best for comparison but we might never get that option unfortunately.
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Old 20th July 2019, 16:28   #56896  |  Link
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I have a 3D/HDR panel. I selected 'passthrough HDR to display' for the 'hdr' tab in my monitor catagory. I created a profile group in my monitor catagory using

if (HDR) "BT.2020"
else "BT.709"

for the calibration tab. Then I created a couple profile names BT.2020 and BT.709 and adjusted them accordingly. I'm happy with this.

I want to create another profile group for the 'hdr' tab. I want to keep passthrough for everything as I have it now except for 3D titles. For those I want a seperate profile. I only want it to trigger for 3D titles. Instead of selecting 'passthrough', I want to select 'tone map using pixel shaders'. Maybe I can brighten 3D up a bit. I would try this rule:

if (3D) "TONE MAP"
else "PASSTHROUGH"

in an HDR profile group name with a couple of TONE MAP and PASSTHROUGH profile names adjusted accordingly.

I have not experimented with any of the new tone mapping tests or builds nor reviewed any of the thread discussions. I understand the main interest is for those that prefer madVR tone mapping instead of the displays logic especially those without HDR compatibilty. My question is, would I achieve anything advantageous considering 3D is SDR? In other words, are you guys able to enhance SDR using madVR tone mapping or is it just the opposite and only able to enhance HDR to SDR?

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Old 20th July 2019, 16:58   #56897  |  Link
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Tone mapping is only for HDR, so it will never be used for 3D. There is nothing to tone map with SDR.
There is no way to brighten up 3D as the lower absolite brightness is a limitation of your display. You could change the gamma used for 3D to get a brighter mid-range but it would destroy contrast.
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Old 20th July 2019, 17:15   #56898  |  Link
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Perhaps we should define testing criteria if there's enough desire to see this done thoroughly.
That's my point: otherwise people just say things, like this gpu can do high setiings, and it doesn't mean anything at all.
We don't need bechmark tools:
- just video sample files
- selected screen resolution (4k, 1080p)
- a prepared madvr bin for all the profiles for these samples
- and every one can post their *max* setting with a given GPU

That's it. From that we can clearly see that e.g. a new navi is better than a 1070. And later everyone can decide which GPU is enough for himself.
Because apart from couple of users, there's no list like this.
If noone will do a thread like this, I will, but only couple of weeks later, when I will have time.
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Old 20th July 2019, 17:33   #56899  |  Link
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@madshi are you able to tell if free madVR will always remain on par quality wise with the madvr version/emby which has to be purchased?
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Something like that actually once existed, IIRC it was a special madVR version that just rendered to the screen at max performance, instead of being held up by VSYNC. But alas, a long time ago. Too bad madshi has so little time these days so we don't have toys like this anymore.
You're right, I found reference to it. I've asked madshi about possibly bringing it back, until then we'll just have to do this somewhat inaccurately and manually and hope it comes back in one form or another.

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From that we can clearly see that e.g. a new navi is better than a 1070.
Yeah I don't see the need to define the performance of the card completely. A lot of the performance we see across various videos will apply across the board and give us a good enough indication on where the card stands.
We'd want to keep this as simple as possible I think, so I think the best target is 4K. videos a@ 1080@24fps, 4k@24fps and 4K at 60fps and HDR tone mapping for 4K@60fps possibly as well.
Will wait a couple of weeks for you to create the thread and we'll go from there.

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