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24th March 2016, 23:29 | #37121 | Link |
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Is there a way to quickly toggle 3D mode? In many cases I only have the MVC copy ripped with MakeMKV when it is the same as the AVC copy when viewed in 2D. Inside Out is a example where I could not see a difference in the 2D disc and the 3D disc. I usually don't want to play back these files in stereo but occasionally do when the mood strikes. Is there a keyboard shortcut or anything that I am missing? This really isn't a "set it and forget it" setting IMO and should have a way to quickly toggle depending on the situation.
So glad to have a freeware solution for MVC. Thanks for all your work.
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I really don't think it is and my quick tests today didn't change my mind but I'll be running more tests as ideally AR and AB shouldn't be used in every section I think......too much of a good thing..
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Anyway, the screenshot comparison contains the original untouched frame, so it's easy enough for you to compare yourself with AS @ 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3. |
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OK my bad, it's just that Shiandow said "Improve guess by: Softening the image, Subtracting differences with the original image, Sharpening" and it sure sounds/looks like unsharp masking to me
Anyway if AB makes sense to you for sharpening, I think it would also be useful for SR as SR is definitely sharpening but then again maybe it's pointless to AB both SSIM and SR. |
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Could you elaborate on your personal feelings what SR actually does? In a way I have always thought about it as a sort final picture enhancer that I can count on to make the picture to be closer to the so called ground truth, even if I may not see the effects every frame of every possible video. Of course I can see, especially on animated content, if it brings unwanted artifacts, but maybe on a sort of theoretical level? For example, do you use it always at some strength? And yes, I have read the technical explanation.
[edit] My point here being, what are the enhancements SR really requires for it to be better? Last edited by YxP; 24th March 2016 at 23:56. |
25th March 2016, 00:01 | #37129 | Link |
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Thanks for all the great new updates madshi.
One thing I've noticed is that anti-bloating has a positive effect on reigning in the brightness boosting of adaptive sharpen. On a black level setting test pattern, adaptive sharpen by itself reveals IRE 16 on a properly calibrated display. But with anti-bloating enabled the image is slightly darker so only 17 and above flash which is how it should be of course. Adaptive sharpen plus anti-bloating is looking like it might be a formidable combination actually. AS maxed out at 3.0 combined with 150% AB might even be viable you know... Though more testing is probably needed to confirm that before we get too carried away |
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Regarding anti-bloating with SSIM 2D @ 100% I think I'd prefer to keep it disabled. I could understand people perhaps wanting to enable 25 or 50% though.. beyond that you're getting similar results to just running SSIM at lower values. High frequency stuff is nice to a point. SO while I may not be using it I can see where it might be considered useful. Last edited by ryrynz; 25th March 2016 at 01:35. |
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Yeah, extreme values on edge thinning and edge sharpening and anti bloat work especially well with anime. VERY GOOD.
With real life content, the final image is a bit over-smooth, and these values are not the best defaults when watching a movie or a video with people. But with anime, it is like those algorithms redefine all the qualities of the image. Those algorithms have more value than 4K has on games these days. Then again, maybe most madVR users use a bit lower values, but I showed madVR to other anime fans, and all of them started using madVR the next moment for all anime. This all have become a golden thing after edge thinning has been introduced. Thanks!
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This is why I have it working in tandem with Awarpsharp2 and line darkening in Avisynth, high level line thinning in anime can look pretty unnatural (super sharp & thin on some things and not on others) Until we get line thinning/darkening it's the best we've got in madVR, just look at more than just the thick lines before you settle on a edge thinning value. Should read madshi's posts.. In other words, is softening certain high frequency elements of the picture. Basically removing that over sharpened or over processed look. Last edited by ryrynz; 25th March 2016 at 02:27. |
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LAV Video: DXVA2 copy-back GTX970 / Random dithering / No software deinterlacing madvr: chroma: super-xbr 100 AR SuperRes@3 img downscaling: SSIM 2D@100% AR LL img doubling: double luma & chroma / always - if upscaling is needed / super-xbr@100 img upscaling: Jinc AR upscaling refinement: SuperRes@1 LL AR / refine img only once... artifact removal: medium / high smooth motion off dithering ED 1 / colored noise / change dither for every frame trade quality.. all unchecked Do you think these settings I'm using are fine for my configuration? As I'm no expert, answers and suggestions from anybody are welcome....Thanks |
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Post removed. New comparison added in a latter post.
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b) Do you consider the anti-bloating and anti-ringing options useful for SuperRes? I think anti-bloating might not be beneficial here, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Do you see any benefit in the anti-ringing option? SuperRes already didn't ring that much, so I wonder if the separate anti-ringing post processing option is worthwhile in your opinion or not?Nope, not either. SuperRes is different in that it digs into the picture and brings out real detail. I can't speak for the other refinements, but what SuperRes does puts it in a class of its own. |
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Yeah, I checked those out. It seems to deaden the picture and take some of the all important catch light out of the eyes. I only use a value of 3 myself. Anyway, it will be adjustable what ever madshi decides
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