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10th September 2009, 17:52 | #5102 | Link | |
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The "original" video in question is MPEG-4 AVC 1920x1080i 29.97fps. When I hit the Oppo "on screen info" it says "AVC BDMV 29.97 Hz 16:9". That's 1080 "i" NOT "p". When I hit the "on screen info" on my Samsung screen, it says "1920x1080@60Hz" because the Oppo is outputting 1080p which is the native rez of my screen. The Oppo plays the original PERFECTLY! The same, "rebuilt" video shows the EXACT same specs as above, but it's UNWATCHABLE 'cause it's stuttering so bad! This particular vid (Abbey Road) just happens to be the "poster child" for seeing the "phenomenon", 'cause of the way it's shot. As I go thru other 1080i discs I've rebuilt, the jerkiness is in ALL of them. The only diff is, most of the other "productions" don't have the excessive panning the Abbey does. On every 1080p/24 "rebuild" I've done, the Oppo plays them PERFECTLY! On a 24p flick, my TV screen info will say "1920x1080@24Hz" 'cause the Oppo has automatically adjusted it's output. I have yet to see a "1080p/60" disc. Do you know of one, Dark Shikari? I'll go buy it & report back to you on how the Oppo plays it! |
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10th September 2009, 19:12 | #5103 | Link | |
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Your "handle" says "x264 Developer". Instead of worrying about what you think my player does or doesn't play......., why don't you tell jdobbs what "switches he needs to throw" to get a CLEAN 1080i rebuild? It would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!! See ya! |
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10th September 2009, 19:16 | #5104 | Link | |
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1080p60 is not 1080p24 or 1080p30. |
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10th September 2009, 19:28 | #5106 | Link | |
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I remember when I was asked to add the option to keep interlacing -- and I hesitated for exactly this reason... and it's also the reason it isn't the default and it is a hidden option. I'd especially like to hear how deinterlacing somehow identifies whether the source is TFF or BFF so it can be reconstructed properly (which is the source of the problem we're discussing) -- especially since 90% of the sources are stored as frames rather than fields in the source even when interlaced. I know I can scan the source, look at flags and determine field order (assuming it isn't a hybrid source and there isn't any pulldown)... but it's anything but basic. Oh... I forgot to mention... there isn't any guarantee that the field order won't change in the next scene -- so I'd have to scan THE ENTIRE SOURCE. At least that was my experience on the MPEG-2 side (and a major cause of my DVD Rebuilder headaches) where I had to scan and record the flags for every single frame so I could restructure it after encoding. I just love the concept of adding another complete scan of 40 Gigabytes and recording of flags of the source followed by another complete scan/flag setting of the output to what is already too-long a process. Everybody's a critic. Last edited by jdobbs; 10th September 2009 at 19:59. |
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10th September 2009, 19:49 | #5107 | Link | |
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YOUR efforts are GREATLY appreciated! I'm just pointing out a MAJOR bug in BD-RB. This bug is SO BAD, if it's not fixed, you'll have to rename your product to "1080p/24-Rebuilder" 'cause there's NO WAY you could say it'll work on ALL Blu Rays. Hopefully "Mr Dark" can help you out with 1080i fix! Have a nice day! |
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10th September 2009, 20:02 | #5109 | Link | |
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The issue I'm reporting is the POOR quality of "MPEG-4 AVC 1920x1080i 29.97fps" rebuilds. Nothing more. I don't know how to make it any clearer! |
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10th September 2009, 20:03 | #5110 | Link |
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This so called MAJOR bug effects how many discs?? All of us happy people who have done loads of discs which play perfectly have a different opinion to you of this great software. As your player spec pages says "* Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best-effort basis with no guarantee due to the variation of media, software and techniques used." - it's a pity the same consideration isn't extended to jdobbs and Dark Shikari!
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10th September 2009, 20:05 | #5112 | Link | |
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Saying "rename your product to 1080p/24-Rebuilder" isn't "wise-ass"? (Smiley faces don't always cover an insult) Honestly, I don't know why I do this. Whip me! Beat me! Make me write bad checks! (because I'm obviously a glutton for punishment) Last edited by jdobbs; 10th September 2009 at 20:20. |
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10th September 2009, 20:11 | #5113 | Link |
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Did you ever discover what was the issue with Universal discs and bd-9 on the Sony? We know that the same image plays fine on a bd-25 so it's a Sony firmware issue but it was more a case of curiosity. I have tried various discs (which tend to have PiP) by including and excluding the seconday video, and with secondary audio which can and can't be processed. However, all fail to play the main audio on bd-9. Rather than PiP, is it the menu system or U-Control which could be confusing the Sony's? |
10th September 2009, 20:15 | #5114 | Link | |
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But more clearly -- "No" I don't know why it is doing it. I wish I did. It's on the list of "do some investigation" items I'm keeping (its a fairly extensive list). Last edited by jdobbs; 10th September 2009 at 20:18. |
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10th September 2009, 20:23 | #5115 | Link |
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Mr Dark......, you misquoted me with:
"Originally Posted by Race Guy The problem seems to be that BDRB is not deinterlacing to 60fps" That's the "Flea's" line, NOT mine. Personally, it's "above my pay grade" to suggest a cause/solution! I'm just a "reporter" writing down what I see. |
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Isn't the goal to get this released so you can get SHOWERED with CURRENCY of ALL TYPES??? I'm just trying to get a "real" bug kicked up to the top of the list to help you REACH that goal! Sounds like I made a LITTLE progress, ain't it? Keep up the good work! |
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10th September 2009, 20:44 | #5117 | Link | |
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IMO, that's THE big attraction of Blu......., HD Music. Flix are OK, but REALLY, how many times are you gonna watch the same flick? A rockin' good concert can be watched OVER & OVER & OVER AGAIN! It also probably affects ANY disc shot live. Most film (1080p/24 stuff) is "scanned", correct? See ya! |
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10th September 2009, 23:19 | #5120 | Link | |
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Don't forget TV series Blu's that's all 1080i stuff too. LOTS of people buy that stuff. Does that bump us up to 3%? That AC/DC was shot in 1992, pre HD cameras, so it may be film, meaning 1080p/24. I'll find out for sure. |
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