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Old 27th February 2018, 14:01   #49281  |  Link
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indeed, however I follow reviews closely and there doesnt seem to be any evidence of any manufacturers making false claims, although I tend only to follow the mid / higher end reviews.
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Old 27th February 2018, 14:17   #49282  |  Link
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most TV are 8 bit and you need dithering anyway.
I know the debate about 8bit + FRC, however no one AFAIK has proven that my model is not 10bit. It was the flagship at the time, JS9500 FALD from Samsung. There was quite the thread over att AVSForums regarding this.

LGs current gen OLED displays?

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12-bit is exactly the same as 10-bit if you output 10-bit with madVR, the last two bits are simply 0s. I suppose a TV could process 12-bit badly and 10-bit well but it would be strange. Does 10-bit with the 580 not have the same banding issues the 1070 at 12-bit did? Usually if the 10-bit processing is good then 12-bit looks fine too.
YES I get less banding outputting 10bit from AMD than 12bit from nvidia. Especially noticeable in Planet Earth II, quite some heavy banding in the skies, that are a lot less with AMD (10b).

There are numerous topics about standalone UHD Bluray players outputting 12bit as well, resulting in banding. For example Panasonics UHD players, they received a 10bit update and all was well.

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You didn't even test 8 bit? That's makes it even funnier.
Good that you keep yourself entertained.
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Old 27th February 2018, 14:22   #49283  |  Link
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I know the debate about 8bit + FRC, however no one AFAIK has proven that my model is not 10bit. JS9500 FALD from Samsung. There was quite the thread over att AVSForums regarding this.

LGs current gen OLED displays?



YES I get less banding outputting 10bit from AMD than 12bit from nvidia.

There are numerous topics about standalone Bluray players outputting 12bit as well, resulting in banding. For example Panasonics UHD players, they received a 10bit update and all was well.
Out of interest, do you have your desktop set to 4:4:4 FULL RGB and trust you player to select the relevant colour space when required or do you use 4:2:0 for convenience as I do?
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Old 27th February 2018, 15:04   #49284  |  Link
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what are you talking about colorspaces?
yes i use full range RGB and you can do 12 bit with it so what's your point?

and why should someone use 4:2:0 and not at least 4:2:2 EVER?
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Old 27th February 2018, 15:12   #49285  |  Link
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what are you talking about colorspaces?
yes i use full range RGB and you can do 12 bit with it so what's your point?

and why should someone use 4:2:0 and not at least 4:2:2 EVER?
it should have been clear that I was asking Bran, I am acutely aware of your opinions on this matter
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Old 27th February 2018, 15:25   #49286  |  Link
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Out of interest, do you have your desktop set to 4:4:4 FULL RGB and trust you player to select the relevant colour space when required or do you use 4:2:0 for convenience as I do?
I'm always running 3840*2160 30Hz 4:4:4 Full RGB (12b nvidia and now 10b AMD) at desktop and let madVR switch refresh rate to 23.976Hz for movies/series.

madVR + MPC HC is the only player I use for video. Some youtube from time to time.
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Old 27th February 2018, 16:08   #49287  |  Link
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I'm always running 3840*2160 30Hz 4:4:4 Full RGB (12b nvidia and now 10b AMD) at desktop and let madVR switch refresh rate to 23.976Hz for movies/series.

madVR + MPC HC is the only player I use for video. Some youtube from time to time.
ah right, i use mine as web and other stuff so i have to have my desktop @ 60 hz which is why I use 420. I dont use 422 as when my TV is set to deep colour the only option I have is 420. This is because i'm using the blueray preset on my TV, the PC input setting does allow this but disables the motion abilities of the TV which are essential to me on my LG OLED EF9500 (uk 2015 model)
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Old 27th February 2018, 16:43   #49288  |  Link
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i found really good to put my desktop 4k@23 , setting 10bit output rgb 444, then i revert desktop settings to 50hz (I'm using madvr with mediaportal tv), so windows automaticalli brings rgb 444 8 bit only for 50/60 hz. Then i setup in mad vr two profiles: >24 fps use 8bit in device properties and <=24 fps use 10bit output in device properties. When madvr changes resolution windows put amd's 8 or 10 output accordingly with HDMi capabilities.

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Old 27th February 2018, 16:47   #49289  |  Link
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yeah, there are lots of ways to do this, i've had it setup up a few different ways in the past but always had issue here and there, just got sick of faffing with it, my current setup is the most stable i've had it for a long time.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:06   #49290  |  Link
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I'm always running 3840*2160 30Hz 4:4:4 Full RGB (12b nvidia and now 10b AMD) at desktop and let madVR switch refresh rate to 23.976Hz for movies/series.

madVR + MPC HC is the only player I use for video. Some youtube from time to time.
Your desktop at 30Hz 10/12bit is now introducing lag in everything from your mouse to your GUI's which is slow, awkward, non compliant with Windows desktop and definitely not up to par.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:07   #49291  |  Link
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ah right, i use mine as web and other stuff so i have to have my desktop @ 60 hz which is why I use 420. I dont use 422 as when my TV is set to deep colour the only option I have is 420. This is because i'm using the blueray preset on my TV, the PC input setting does allow this but disables the motion abilities of the TV which are essential to me on my LG OLED EF9500 (uk 2015 model)
Imo, achieving 4:4:4 at 60Hz and 24Hz with deep color (HDR) ON is essential. Using 4:2:0 limits you to YCbCr Limited only.
I thought OLED was supposed to have great qualities superior to every other tech? Evidently not.
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yeah, there are lots of ways to do this, i've had it setup up a few different ways in the past but always had issue here and there, just got sick of faffing with it, my current setup is the most stable i've had it for a long time.
But you posted this 2 hours ago? Black screen? 0 in all queues in MADVR? That doesn't sound stable? https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...23175&page=368
Maybe your front end choice using DSPlayer isn't such a good one anymore at least with your AMD video card and drivers?
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i found really good to put my desktop 4k@23 , setting 10bit output rgb 444, then i revert desktop settings to 50hz (I'm using madvr with mediaportal tv), so windows automaticalli brings rgb 444 8 bit only for 50/60 hz. Then i setup in mad vr two profiles: >24 fps use 8bit in device properties and <=24 fps use 10bit output in device properties. When madvr changes resolution windows put amd's 8 or 10 output accordingly with HDMi capabilities.
Nvidia drivers do this automatically without need for madVR to do it fwiw. I set my desktop at 60Hz instead of 50Hz.
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Old 27th February 2018, 17:19   #49294  |  Link
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Your desktop at 30Hz 10/12bit is now introducing lag in everything from your mouse to your GUI's which is slow, awkward, non compliant with Windows desktop and definitely not up to par.
Thank you for the enlightenment of my erroneous ways so that I can henceforth follow the true path. My eyes aren't bleeding all that bad from a slight non-60Hz smooth animation when foobar or spotify changes song though.

This is a HTPC, not a computer used for daily desktop work. It's also used by my girlfriend. Hence, changing color space and bit-depth depending on what is played is not an option. 30Hz is a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
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Nvidia drivers do this automatically without need for madVR to do it fwiw. I set my desktop at 60Hz instead of 50Hz.
i don't think nvidia can change properties inside madvr for your tv ..... you need two profiles in madvr if you want madvr output 8 or 10 bit
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Most of the discussion in here is about madVR and the enhancements it makes to video quality. This would include your misuse of basic calibration settings and so much how you listen to music. The fact is, when not using any windows computing desktop features at all and solely using it as an HTPC to browse your collection of VIDEOS, your GUI will be awkward at best. That isn't a trade off. That's a Band-Aid for improper settings and/or choice of hardware.
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i don't think nvidia can change properties inside madvr for your tv ..... you need two profiles in madvr if you want madvr output 8 or 10 bit
No, what you think is simply wrong. The switching is automatic. In desktop mode = RGB 444 8bit 60Hz. In video mode auto switches to RGB 444 10bit 23/24 Hz and back again when finished with video playback. Just as it's listed in my sig.
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Most of the discussion in here is about madVR and the enhancements it makes to video quality. This would include your misuse of basic calibration settings and so much how you listen to music. The fact is, when not using any windows computing desktop features at all and solely using it as an HTPC to browse your collection of VIDEOS, your GUI will be awkward at best. That isn't a trade off. That's a Band-Aid for improper settings and/or choice of hardware.
No shit, if you go back a page or so you can see my initial questions for just madVR and AMD, since I came from nvidia. Misuse calibration settings..? Please elaborate. As to the rest, according to you maybe. But fine then, show me the hardware that can do RGB 4:4:4 2160p 10bit 60Hz.
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In my signature. I did elaborate. You want me to repeat myself?
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No, what you think is simply wrong. The switching is automatic. In desktop mode = RGB 444 8bit 60Hz. In video mode auto switches to RGB 444 10bit 23/24 Hz and back again when finished with video playback. Just as it's listed in my sig.
I think you are not undestanding my crappy english or I miss part of the chain...or some configuration in madvr are useless..

so tell me what do think about this setting ?

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