BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by DK

same here

bd rb closed down but system was still running

Yeah, I made a "fat finger" typing mistake when I added the SLEEP code. I've fixed if for the next release.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by DK

same here

bd rb closed down but system was still running

No problem with mine, ran a backup last night and it shut down as it always has.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

No problem with mine, ran a backup last night and it shut down as it always has.

You may want to make sure you're using v0.33.7, because it didn't work for me either. But it's possible, I guess, because the error was in the code for obtaining the privilege token.

[Capsbackup]

Definately v0.33.7. Using Windows 7 Pro too!

the error was in the code for obtaining the privilege token.

I guess I'm having higher privileges!

[Sounddude]

Checked the first post and couldn't find the answer: Downloaded the latest version and ran inspect.exe and it said HAALI Splitter was not the correct version. What is the correct version? Thanks for all your hard work on this excellent tool.

Edit: Found the problem, had to delete the folder and re-install matroska and all is well now.

[Audiophile1178]

Originally Posted by PeteWalker74

Well, that'd suck balls. I'd have to rent it from Netflix to properly rip it, when I own the damned disc. I think I'll wait until you do your magic with SoniG and cross my fingers that was the issue. Thanks again!

I've never had this sort of thing happen before until recently. I tried to rip "Big Trouble in Little China" onto my computer and couldn't because it wasn't recognized in my LG Blu-ray burner. It took three discs before I was able to read it in my computer. The funny thing is that all the discs were able to be read in my Oppo Blu-ray player.

[PhilippeB]

I have seen a funny behaviour with the above movie.

Main movie m2ts is 23G, 1:37:49
There is also a 'Making of' m2ts that is 18G, 2:01:38.

Ironically, BD-RB goes for the longest file in the set for movie only mode which is the wrong file in this case.

Would need to add an option to select which file we want (or better, implement the 'Blank' option in full movie mode so we can keep the menus and get rid of the rest).

any of the two options would fix the problem.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by PhilippeB

I have seen a funny behaviour with the above movie.

Main movie m2ts is 23G, 1:37:49
There is also a 'Making of' m2ts that is 18G, 2:01:38.

Ironically, BD-RB goes for the longest file in the set for movie only mode which is the wrong file in this case.

Would need to add an option to select which file we want (or better, implement the 'Blank' option in full movie mode so we can keep the menus and get rid of the rest).

any of the two options would fix the problem.

This is how BD-RB works. From a previous post:

This extra just happens to be longer than the main movie, thus BD-RB chooses it first. Though, for the most part, BD-RB is fairly simple to use, it does require some user intervention on some discs like this.
If you select mode, then Alternate Movie-Only Playlist, you will then see the other options available for the movie. It is usually a good idea to check this on movie-only backups, since some movies have multiple playlists that may have different chapter counts, so you can try to be selective for the correct one.

[Nerz]

Jdobbs-
Since you use a SONY BDP-S301 blu-ray to test, I'm curious as to if you use a 120hz television? The reason I ask is that the movie THE BLIND SIDE, the picture comes out fine on my Vizio player. However, on my Sony bdp, the video becomes jumpy at areas of the movie that have alot of motion in it, such as the two teams running on the field. The only reasoning that I can think of that can be the problem is that this model player supposedly did not originally support bd-r before a firm-ware upgrade. So, because it is a post release fix could this make refresh rate errors? I guess it could be something astray with the rebuild but i have a hard time believing since it did work flawlessly with the Vizio. Not sure if this is the same result for this player on a 60 hz TV.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by PhilippeB

I have seen a funny behaviour with the above movie.

Main movie m2ts is 23G, 1:37:49
There is also a 'Making of' m2ts that is 18G, 2:01:38.

Ironically, BD-RB goes for the longest file in the set for movie only mode which is the wrong file in this case.

Would need to add an option to select which file we want (or better, implement the 'Blank' option in full movie mode so we can keep the menus and get rid of the rest).

any of the two options would fix the problem.

No irony involved. There is no way for BD-RB to know which MPLS is the main feature -- so it has to assume the longest one is (which is correct 99.99% of the time). There is already an option to view the stream so you know which is being encoded (right click on the stream), and to change it (on the MODE menu).

Interesting that the "making of" is longer than the film. What kind of egocentric director spends more time talking about how he decided to tell a story -- than the actual telling of the story itself?

[humphammer]

I am trying to back up The Lord of the Rings trilogy in movie only mode on Verbatim BD-R 25GB....if I have BD-rebuilder in normal priorty with the high quality (default) mode it is going to take around 12 hours to encode....if I change it to high speed BD-25 mode it cuts 10 hours off the encode time....what advantage does one get by taking an extra 10 hours in the high quality mode ( better picture quality or sound quality ) and is high quality mode necessary if backing up on BD-R 25G? Thanks in advance for your reply.

[Capsbackup]

x264 is pretty amazing, so you can be pretty sure it will look good either way. But it is up to you and your eyes, playback system, etc.. to ultimately decide.
High quality mode does make a difference, but a three hour movie to BD25 will probably look great with a lower setting. Try the first one at the faster setting, burn to BD-RE, watch on your play back system and compare with the original disc. There is probably no better way to know but to view it, and since your decision is the most important one, let your own eyes be the judge!

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by humphammer

I am trying to back up The Lord of the Rings trilogy in movie only mode on Verbatim BD-R 25GB....if I have BD-rebuilder in normal priorty with the high quality (default) mode it is going to take around 12 hours to encode....if I change it to high speed BD-25 mode it cuts 10 hours off the encode time....what advantage does one get by taking an extra 10 hours in the high quality mode ( better picture quality or sound quality ) and is high quality mode necessary if backing up on BD-R 25G? Thanks in advance for your reply.

As Capsbackup said, it's up to you. I personally don't think you'll see much difference if any. BD-25 has about 3 times as much space as a BD-9, which means you bitrate is going to be 3x greater. At that bitrate the enhancements involved in the higher quality mode just aren't going to be as pronounced.

[spotswood]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I've just updated the first post of this thread with a link to the newest beta release of BD-RB (v0.33.07). Changes for this release:
- Corrected an issue in which frames could be lost and a "stutter" could be seen between segments of a seamlessly branched film when doing a full backup.

Just tried Toy Story again as I was having this problem with stuttering right after the menu starts playing, and also at the beginning of the movie just before the titles when Andy's sister throws Mr. Potato Head to the floor from her crib. It's not as bad as before but is still noticeable. Don't know if you can further adjust to prevent the stutter, but thought I'd report my findings. Thanks again for the great program...

[humphammer]

I have backed up the first two Lord of the Rings, using the settings outlined in my post above....each one took less than four hours from start to finish, and just as advertised I can not tell any difference in the picture or sound quality between the back up, and the original. I have an 82 inch Mitsubishi DLP 1080P TV with 7.1 DTS-HD surround sound, which was used to test, and my eyes nor ears can tell absolutely no difference.

An amazing program took 39GB down to 23GB without a noticeable loss of quality....hard to believe it is free....I guess a donation is in order.

[PhilippeB]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

No irony involved. There is no way for BD-RB to know which MPLS is the main feature -- so it has to assume the longest one is (which is correct 99.99% of the time). There is already an option to view the stream so you know which is being encoded (right click on the stream), and to change it (on the MODE menu).

Interesting that the "making of" is longer than the film. What kind of egocentric director spends more time talking about how he decided to tell a story -- than the actual telling of the story itself?

Wooooh ! Nice option ! will try it right away !

= )

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by spotswood

Just tried Toy Story again as I was having this problem with stuttering right after the menu starts playing, and also at the beginning of the movie just before the titles when Andy's sister throws Mr. Potato Head to the floor from her crib. It's not as bad as before but is still noticeable. Don't know if you can further adjust to prevent the stutter, but thought I'd report my findings. Thanks again for the great program...

What are you using for playback? You have to be really careful in these reports if you are using a software player -- as they are prone to creating stutter on their own...

I can tell you that I've done both Toy Story movies within the last few weeks -- and neither "stutters".

[cnote]

Has anyone seen this before?
[07:53:27] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:53:27] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [07:53:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [08:10:16] Reencoding: VID_00010 (1 of 1)
- [08:10:16] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 165,899 frames
- Bitrate: 8,123 Kbs
- [08:10:16] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 1 of 2
- [10:39:38] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 2 of 2
- [16:19:43] Video Encode complete
- [16:19:43] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- ERROR in attempt to reencode audio (AFTEN) [AUD_00010__4352.AVS]
[16:25:13] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
-----------------------
[16:25:21] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[16:25:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:25:22] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- ERROR in attempt to reencode audio (AFTEN) [AUD_00010__4352.AVS]
[16:30:20] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
-----------------------
[16:31:49] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[16:31:51] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:31:51] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.7, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
2nd time this has happened since installing latest version. 40 prior successful backups using previous versions. Thanks for the help and program.

[drmih]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Actually that was fixed in v0.33.06:

- Updated the audio AVS so that sample rates and sample
  sizes that are not compatible with AFTEN AC3 output are
  converted before being sent to the encoder.  This fixes
  some issues that cause audio encoding failures.

It didn't work - same problem and TSmuxer still reports an unsupported file format if you try and read in the M2TS. I also noted that it had a audio/pgs sizing issue on a later file, and it waited for a response - wasn't there a fix in an earlier version where it would automatically continue after a length of time?

[21:21:36] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
  - Source:  CLASH_OF_THE_TITANS
  - Input BD size: 32.61 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:36:35.369]
  - Target BD size: 7.72 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=1 Kbs=640
[21:21:36] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [21:21:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
 - [21:21:37] Reencoding: VID_00003 (1 of 16)
 - [21:21:37] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 285 frames
   - Bitrate: 961 Kbs
 - [21:21:37] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
 - [21:21:47] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
 - [21:21:59] Video Encode complete
 - [21:21:59] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [21:22:00] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [21:22:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
 - [21:22:01] Reencoding: VID_00010 (2 of 16)
 - [21:22:01] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 558 frames
   - Bitrate: 1,137 Kbs
 - [21:22:01] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 1 of 2
 - [21:22:16] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 2 of 2
 - [21:22:33] Video Encode complete
 - [21:22:33] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [21:22:33] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [21:22:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
 - [21:22:35] Reencoding: VID_00011 (3 of 16)
 - [21:22:35] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 720 frames
   - Bitrate: 1,145 Kbs
 - [21:22:35] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 2
 - [21:22:52] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 2 of 2
 - [21:23:08] Video Encode complete
 - [21:23:08] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [21:23:08] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [21:23:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00012]
 - [21:23:13] Reencoding: VID_00012 (4 of 16)
 - [21:23:13] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 8,160 frames
   - Bitrate: 440 Kbs
 - [21:23:13] Reencoding: VID_00012, Pass 1 of 2
 - [21:26:25] Reencoding: VID_00012, Pass 2 of 2
 - [21:29:38] Video Encode complete
 - [21:29:38] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [21:29:38] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [21:29:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013]
 - [21:29:45] Reencoding: VID_00013 (5 of 16)
 - [21:29:45] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,200 frames
   - Bitrate: 995 Kbs
 - [21:29:45] Reencoding: VID_00013, Pass 1 of 2
 - [21:30:15] Reencoding: VID_00013, Pass 2 of 2
 - [21:30:44] Video Encode complete
 - [21:30:44] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [21:30:44] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [21:30:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00020]
 - [21:57:51] Reencoding: VID_00020 (6 of 16)
 - [21:57:51] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,657 frames
   - Bitrate: 7,597 Kbs
 - [21:57:51] Reencoding: VID_00020, Pass 1 of 2
 - [23:42:51] Reencoding: VID_00020, Pass 2 of 2
 - [05:32:26] Video Encode complete
 - [05:32:26] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [05:32:27] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [05:36:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00026]
 - [05:37:17] Reencoding: VID_00026 (7 of 16)
 - [05:37:17] Collecting video information
 - Audio/PGS sizing issue.  Continued...
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 21,968 frames
 - [07:03:00] Reencoding: VID_00026, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:05:26] Video Encode complete
 - [07:05:26] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:06:06] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:06:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00029]
 - [07:07:02] Reencoding: VID_00029 (8 of 16)
 - [07:07:02] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 7,369 frames
   - Bitrate: 2,755 Kbs
 - [07:07:02] Reencoding: VID_00029, Pass 1 of 2
 - [07:11:17] Reencoding: VID_00029, Pass 2 of 2
 - [07:20:59] Video Encode complete
 - [07:20:59] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:21:14] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:21:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00082]
 - [07:21:45] Reencoding: VID_00082 (9 of 16)
 - [07:21:45] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,981 frames
 - [07:21:45] Reencoding: VID_00082, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:22:27] Video Encode complete
 - [07:22:27] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:22:38] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:22:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00083]
 - [07:22:53] Reencoding: VID_00083 (10 of 16)
 - [07:22:53] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,371 frames
 - [07:22:53] Reencoding: VID_00083, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:23:44] Video Encode complete
 - [07:23:44] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:24:02] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:24:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00084]
 - [07:24:25] Reencoding: VID_00084 (11 of 16)
 - [07:24:25] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,651 frames
 - [07:24:25] Reencoding: VID_00084, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:25:06] Video Encode complete
 - [07:25:06] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:25:33] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:25:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00085]
 - [07:25:47] Reencoding: VID_00085 (12 of 16)
 - [07:25:47] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,418 frames
 - [07:25:47] Reencoding: VID_00085, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:26:10] Video Encode complete
 - [07:26:10] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:26:20] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:26:23] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00086]
 - [07:26:29] Reencoding: VID_00086 (13 of 16)
 - [07:26:29] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,221 frames
 - [07:26:29] Reencoding: VID_00086, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:26:51] Video Encode complete
 - [07:26:51] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:27:02] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:27:07] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00087]
 - [07:27:21] Reencoding: VID_00087 (14 of 16)
 - [07:27:21] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,431 frames
 - [07:27:21] Reencoding: VID_00087, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:28:08] Video Encode complete
 - [07:28:08] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:28:26] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:28:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00088]
 - [07:28:45] Reencoding: VID_00088 (15 of 16)
 - [07:28:45] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 720x480
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 3,391 frames
 - [07:28:45] Reencoding: VID_00088, Pass 1 of 1
 - [07:30:15] Video Encode complete
 - [07:30:15] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:30:37] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [07:30:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00089]
 - [07:31:48] Reencoding: VID_00089 (16 of 16)
 - [07:31:48] Collecting video information
   - Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 7,369 frames
   - Bitrate: 2,594 Kbs
 - [07:31:48] Reencoding: VID_00089, Pass 1 of 2
 - [07:39:18] Reencoding: VID_00089, Pass 2 of 2
 - [07:47:22] Video Encode complete
 - [07:47:22] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
 - [07:47:27] Multiplexing M2TS
[07:47:32]PHASE ONE complete
[07:47:32]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [07:47:32] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[07:47:49] - Encode and Rebuild complete
 - WORKFILES folder removed.
[07:47:50]JOB: CLASH_OF_THE_TITANS finished.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by cnote

Has anyone seen this before?
[07:53:27] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[07:53:27] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [07:53:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [08:10:16] Reencoding: VID_00010 (1 of 1)
- [08:10:16] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 165,899 frames
- Bitrate: 8,123 Kbs
- [08:10:16] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 1 of 2
- [10:39:38] Reencoding: VID_00010, Pass 2 of 2
- [16:19:43] Video Encode complete
- [16:19:43] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- ERROR in attempt to reencode audio (AFTEN) [AUD_00010__4352.AVS]
[16:25:13] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
-----------------------
[16:25:21] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[16:25:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:25:22] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- ERROR in attempt to reencode audio (AFTEN) [AUD_00010__4352.AVS]
[16:30:20] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
-----------------------
[16:31:49] BD Rebuilder v0.33.07 (beta)
- Source: BOURNE_ULTIM
- Input BD size: 31.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:55:19.370]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[16:31:51] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:31:51] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.7, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
2nd time this has happened since installing latest version. 40 prior successful backups using previous versions. Thanks for the help and program.

I'll pick up "BOURNE Ultimatum" and give it a try.