madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[ryrynz]

More than likely. Answering this yourself is easy.. simply drop back to NGU Sharp Medium and compare.

[Siso]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

More than likely. Answering this yourself is easy.. simply drop back to NGU Sharp Medium and compare.

The odd thing is that some users have ~ 30-35 ms and no problems at all...

[ryrynz]

Forget that and test anyway.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by wilhelm_flint

Hello Doom9 Forum

I need your help. Can you clever people anwser this question:

I want to buy a new monitor. In the near future i want to start photography and start searching.
Monitors like the Eizo CS2420 ColorEdge got great Picture Quality but is it fast enough for madvr?
Any other displays you can recommend?

Thank you all.

@madvr: I really love Madvr. Fantastic job.

CS is their consumer line IPS monitor, it's no much better than any other prosumer IPS monitor.

For MOVIES specifically, high precision internal color mapping comes SECOND to Contrast-Ratio.

In that space, IPS performs poorly.

OLED is the -current- king of movie monitors, but it will soon be obsolete giving way to LMCL (dual layer lcd).

For all current purchases, if you're not swinging @ the price of OLED or (Existing LMCL, Eizo CG3145, $40,000, Panasonic Megacon, rumored $150,000+)

Then VA-Panels are the best go to, ~$500-600. Any higher, you might as well get OLED.

But, because the very first consumer LMCL is coming out quarter 3 This year, (street price < Oled) You might want to hold out to see how that goes.

That said, Regardless of what monitor you choose, You HAVE to buy a Colorimeter. Madvr's GREATEST FEATURE is not upscaling, or HDR tonemapping, though we agree the tonemapping is top kek, Madvr's greatest feature is 3DLUT color correction. Without which, Everything that comes out of the PC is Blind, and Trash.

There are only 2 budget friendly colorimeters on the market right now, i1display pro, and colormunki display. Either one will work.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by huhn

professional devices can be to slow for proper motion displaying.

the device in his question has at least 15 ms gtg response times on paper can nearly for sure not do 23p naively so yes i would avoid this one for madVR.

The current best Motion-Handling monitor is the Viewsonic XG270 IPS.

It has a native 240hz ips panel, but its' best motion performance is actually in the 100-120hz range. (to prevent overshoot).

Is this good for movies though, definitely not, since it's IPS.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by Siso

The odd thing is that some users have ~ 30-35 ms and no problems at all...

Every frame takes slightly different amount of time to upscale. 2 video files even if the same resolution, if they're different bitrate, it could take shorter or longer.

[SamuriHL]

Us LG OLED owners don't need to use madvr's 3dlut capability since it can be directly uploaded to the tv.

[tp4tissue]

Accuracy on Oled is good enough for casuals with uploadable lut,

Buh due to ABL, It's still meh.

[nsnhd]

madVR 113 seems to either have improved render times or its measurements. Previously, when playing 23.976 movies, dropped frames occur if render times raise more than 35-36ms, now they can reach 40-41ms without dropped frames. Hence lots of headroom for upscaling enhancements. Anyone notices that too ?

Originally Posted by huhn

if you want a screen with 100% DCI P3 support

My SDR display reaches about 95% DCI-P3 in paper, is there any benefit to set madVR calibration to that instead of BT709 and is there any way to check or just by eyes ?

[ryrynz]

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

Every frame takes slightly different amount of time to upscale. 2 video files even if the same resolution, if they're different bitrate, it could take shorter or longer.

Fairly common knowledge. I do wonder why people pose a question that takes them seconds to answer themselves with almost zero effort or knowledge required, then proceed to question the validity of their own hypothesis even after someone else suggests their question is in fact a valid one.

[Yog_Sothoth]

Any chance to get help here?

[chros]

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

Accuracy on Oled is good enough for casuals with uploadable lut, Buh due to ABL, It's still meh.

Regarding to SDR, ABL is not a problem until ~140 nits (depending on the set), ASBL can be turned off in In-Start service menu, ANSD can be real though, more info.
So with sdr, that's not an issue.

[mclingo]

I turned something off in my service menu within week of owning my 2015 OLED but I cant remember what it was now, the issue I had was that bright web pages would dim the whole screen when moving from page to page, it was really distracting, not sure that was possible with later models though but I dont get it anymore, not sure if this was ABL or ASBL

[mclingo]

Originally Posted by Yog_Sothoth

Any chance to get help here?

I replied, you didn,t respond with the details required to help you fella, your issue is too vague and we're clean out of Crystal balls right now as they are all being deployed trying to find out when AMD are going to fix their drivers.

[SamuriHL]

That's asbl. I turned that off when I started calibrating the c8. I've no intention of ever turning it back on.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[mclingo]

ah, that makes sense then thanks.

[clsid]

Originally Posted by nsnhd

madVR 113 seems to either have improved render times or its measurements. Previously, when playing 23.976 movies, dropped frames occur if render times raise more than 35-36ms, now they can reach 40-41ms without dropped frames. Hence lots of headroom for upscaling enhancements. Anyone notices that too?

From build 113 changelog:

Improved rendering speed when there are a lot of rendering steps (should be especially helpful for NGU). Please note that the measured average rendering times in the OSD will not change. However, you should now be able to get nearer to the theoretically max possible rendering times without getting frame drops. This change could potentially introduce new bugs. Hopefully not, but we'll have to wait and see...

[huhn]

looks like it hit smoothmotion. it's supposed to be buggy right now.

kinda funny it been so may years where i question the shader steps that take about 0.3 ms with every hardware available and Shiandow later confirm that doing everything in it's own shader cost performance.

[Morgin187]

Hi I’ve noticed watching movies from my hdd connected by usb 3.0 directly to my tv plays all movies a lot smoother than madvr. Madvr I’ve tried smooth motion on and off changed the display modes with different settings (23,24,60p) and also blank. Ive also played with custom resolution utility and got the exact match 23.976 and also tried double of that. Still the movies don’t look as smooth as direct through hdd. My card is gtx1080 with i7 7700k. Dropped frames show 20-30 mins and all settings are well within rendering of 20-25mms. I know my pc with madvr should outperform my tv (Samsung Q9fn)

[QBhd]

Maybe you have some motion interpolation on when using the internal player. On my TV, settings are different for every input type so I have to disable TruMotion on each one individually

QB