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Old 27th July 2018, 17:42   #51841  |  Link
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That sounds like a hardware issue, maybe overheating?

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A question about refresh rate since I'm always using custom resolution with 72hz, if I install windows 8.1 some day, do I need to enable this option in madvr - "hack Direct3D to make 24.000Hz and 60.000Hz work"?
You only need to enable that if you get 59.940 or 23.976 Hz when you ask for 60.000 or 24.000 Hz.
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Old 27th July 2018, 17:49   #51842  |  Link
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I thought of overheating, but I don't think: without madVR I get no crash at all with the same room temp for weeks.
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Old 27th July 2018, 18:03   #51843  |  Link
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That sounds like a hardware issue, maybe overheating?



You only need to enable that if you get 59.940 or 23.976 Hz when you ask for 60.000 or 24.000 Hz.
Thank you for the info, sir.
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Old 27th July 2018, 18:11   #51844  |  Link
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Not overall less sharp, this is why you get Soap Opera effects. Blending is far more soft in practice, I can quite clearly see this enabling Smooth motion vs enabling Frame Creation on my TV.
not here to talk about what you see but how it works.

motion interpoalted frames are blurry and this is less sharp and motion interpolations are blending frames all the time too if they simply can't guess more presicely. while smoothmotion creats ghosting frames which are more or less visibile depending on how fast your screen is. if you have a very slow VA panel it is not much different from normal playback without over driving the not much different part has to be taking with a lot of salt.

the deal changer is the refreshrate blending a frame to a 120 HZ screen or to a 60 HZ is vastly different most motion interpolationals do this at 120 HZ. smoothmaotionat 120 Hz is so good it is not worth disabling.

changing the bblended frame make it mathematical incorrect.
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Old 27th July 2018, 18:26   #51845  |  Link
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Not overall less sharp, this is why you get Soap Opera effects. Blending is far more soft in practice, I can quite clearly see this enabling Smooth motion vs enabling Frame Creation on my TV.


I’m using it with anime content only. It gets rid of the poor motion of some 24p content without adding the soap opera effect. Soap opera effect would not be an issue with those content though. I don’t really understand why I don’t like anime content at 24p but I’m fine with movies. I don’t know if those shows are really « rendered » with 24 different frames per second.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:24   #51846  |  Link
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I thought of overheating, but I don't think: without madVR I get no crash at all with the same room temp for weeks.
madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:28   #51847  |  Link
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Movies have motion blur captured by the camera and anime doesn't.
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Old 27th July 2018, 19:43   #51848  |  Link
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madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
Hi Ver, I tested with GPU-Z:
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1080p     49° avg   57%GPU  52°CPUmax   
2160p     52° avg   80%GPU  59°CPUmax
So, I would exclude a problem in T°, all seems quite normal even at 4k.

More, I'm sure I got a BOD playing a SD 720x480 video one time...


EDIT:
In EVR I get 43° instead of 49°, so not so much difference, of course mad is more GPU intensive but not uncontrollable in my system.

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Old 27th July 2018, 20:42   #51849  |  Link
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madVR can be quite stressful for the GPU, especially NGU (which causes coil whine for some people because it's so taxing). You should test with something like GPU-Z and see what kind of temperature your GPU reaches while running madVR.
Oh so that was whar I was hearing here.
I could this whinning when trying different pixel clocks here.

It stopped after a while.
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Old 27th July 2018, 21:39   #51850  |  Link
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I tested with GPU-Z:
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1080p     49° avg   57%GPU  52°CPUmax   
2160p     52° avg   80%GPU  59°CPUmax
Those are really low temps for a GPU at 80% load, do you have aftermarket cooling or a model with extreme cooling? I notice you quote CPU max temps, which seem like max values you might expect given those average temps. Are you sure those are your GPU temps?

How about other GPU heavy loads, maybe Heaven?
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Old 28th July 2018, 00:19   #51851  |  Link
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I’m using it with anime content only. It gets rid of the poor motion of some 24p content without adding the soap opera effect.
I don't like the loss of motion resolution which is noticeable to me just to improve panning so I keep frame creation on low instead which is a suitable trade off.
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Old 28th July 2018, 06:57   #51852  |  Link
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I thought of overheating, but I don't think: without madVR I get no crash at all with the same room temp for weeks.
Temperature isn't the only symptom of failing hardware. It could be that the silicon is already failing in some ways that only certain workflows use.
Try using very demanding graphics benchmarking software like Furmark, or like Asmodian suggested "Heaven" or even Superposition
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Old 28th July 2018, 07:55   #51853  |  Link
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Those are really low temps for a GPU at 80% load, do you have aftermarket cooling or a model with extreme cooling? I notice you quote CPU max temps, which seem like max values you might expect given those average temps. Are you sure those are your GPU temps?

How about other GPU heavy loads, maybe Heaven?
It's the stock i7 dissipator, I used GPU-Z to read GPU temp and SpeedFan to read CPU Temp. Temporarily I have an open case, maybe this contribute to lower the temp, as the hot air goes directly towards the ceiling.
Anyway I'll try your suggestions on heaven or furmark and I'll tell you.
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silicon is already failing in some ways that only certain workflows use.
But, suppose it's true, when using madVR should be always put to stress, instead I get a BOD only let's say one time in 2 weeks (and also with very poor demanding videos like an old SD), all the other videos play fine.
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Old 28th July 2018, 08:17   #51854  |  Link
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I'm sorry, the previous AVG GPU temp was not precise because it mixed with lower temp of previous 1080 and SD videos...
Now I did one longer test only 4k and these are the results:

2160p GPU 81%: AVG=59,6° MAX=70° CPU: MAX(by eye)=64°
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Old 28th July 2018, 08:41   #51855  |  Link
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After 15' furmark test, I have these stable values:
GPU 100% AVG=64,4° MAX=72°
Should I continue or is this ok to say there is no HW cooling problems?
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Old 28th July 2018, 11:43   #51856  |  Link
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check the event manager to see what is causing this.

i have no clue why someone is limiting this to the GPU.
you can try the newest windows version together with the newest driver or even a fresh OS.
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Old 28th July 2018, 11:53   #51857  |  Link
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What exactly should I do in the event manager? I have never used it...
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What exactly should I do in the event manager? I have never used it...
Event Viewer will show the BugCheck (blue screen) but also other events around the same time. Perhaps there is something else going on.
Unlikely though as that particular bugcheck should only be caused by bad hardware or bad drivers.
Have you tried other driver versions?
Unfortunately intermittent issues such as these are the hardest to diagnose when they only show up after a few weeks at a time. If you can find a temporary replacement CPU to use it will at least rule out if the GPU is at fault or not.
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Old 28th July 2018, 17:25   #51859  |  Link
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Agree with huhn, if it's crashing more often when seeking or fast-forwarding then I would look more for a software or driver issue.

Edit: maybe try a test with DXVA Checker benchmark, playback performance mode, selecting your screen definition as display definition, with many loops. That will stress the video decode block (and the GPU a little bit)
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So, for now I looked at "Reliability Monitor"
and I found this "Windows" Hardware error:

Code:
Nome evento problema:	LiveKernelEvent
Codice:	141
Parametro 1:	ffffac0fd3ead4a0
Parametro 2:	fffff8084e7d57e0
Parametro 3:	0
Parametro 4:	395c
Versione sistema operativo:	10_0_17134
Service Pack:	0_0
Prodotto:	256_1
Versione SO:	10.0.17134.2.0.0.256.48
ID impostazioni locali:	1040
Followed by 9x DesktopWindowManager errors:

Code:
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Percorso dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore:	C:\Windows\System32\dwm.exe

Firma del problema
Nome evento problema:	APPCRASH
Nome applicazione:	dwm.exe
Versione applicazione:	10.0.17134.1
Timestamp applicazione:	f5178e97
Nome modulo con errori:	d2d1.dll
Versione modulo con errori:	10.0.17134.112
Timestamp modulo con errori:	65837bda
Codice eccezione:	c0000005
Offset eccezione:	00000000000eaa44
Versione SO:	10.0.17134.2.0.0.256.48
ID impostazioni locali:	1040
Informazioni aggiuntive 1:	da31
Ulteriori informazioni 2:	da311bbfa44fbd893fa24c18ea3cb53a
Ulteriori informazioni 3:	7b74
Ulteriori informazioni 4:	7b743590ad6b9157ad1f1e27362006d9

Ulteriori informazioni sul problema
ID bucket:	2e851f1fecb62a46778a1fa4eaa778a3 (1696203002830354595)"


Timestamp applicazione:	f5178e97
Nome modulo con errori:	d2d1.dll
Versione modulo con errori:	10.0.17134.112
Timestamp modulo con errori:	65837bda
Codice eccezione:	c0000005
Offset eccezione:	00000000000ea0fc
Versione SO:	10.0.17134.2.0.0.256.48
ID impostazioni locali:	1040
Informazioni aggiuntive 1:	0a51
Ulteriori informazioni 2:	0a51e9079ac7b4ef18dd6a88476bbc68
Ulteriori informazioni 3:	2acd
Ulteriori informazioni 4:	2acd14112c3488803847dde3fd4c4488

Ulteriori informazioni sul problema
ID bucket:	bd03157bd87841582a40fa780bfe0201 (1891787236999823873)
and so on.

Then Explorer Crash, always on d2d1.dll,
then another Hardware Error "Windows":

Code:
Nome evento problema:	LiveKernelEvent
Codice:	141
Parametro 1:	ffffac0fd3ead4a0
Parametro 2:	fffff8084e7d57e0
Parametro 3:	0
Parametro 4:	395c
Versione sistema operativo:	10_0_17134
Service Pack:	0_0
Prodotto:	256_1
Versione SO:	10.0.17134.2.0.0.256.48
ID impostazioni locali:	1040
Then again Explorer.exe stop working:

Code:
Nome evento problema:	APPCRASH
Nome applicazione:	explorer.exe
Versione applicazione:	10.0.17134.165
Timestamp applicazione:	4031a9f8
Nome modulo con errori:	twinui.pcshell.dll
Versione modulo con errori:	10.0.17134.165
Timestamp modulo con errori:	350701a7
Codice eccezione:	80270233
Offset eccezione:	0000000000306063
Versione SO:	10.0.17134.2.0.0.256.48
ID impostazioni locali:	1040
Informazioni aggiuntive 1:	5c88
Ulteriori informazioni 2:	5c880f455e72d48ff2d252df01593dd2
Ulteriori informazioni 3:	7ddc
Ulteriori informazioni 4:	7ddc2dbaaa8270b132e584817378c7fd

Ulteriori informazioni sul problema
ID bucket:	5f78eab1a62fdc63368baa245de5a632 (1624579163768071730)
Last: Wacom tablet stopped working, and overall crash (I don't remember if here I got also BSOD: sometimes I got it, sometimes I got a general freeze with black screen frozen, so I must press power button to force the restart).

I don't know if this can be useful to detect the problem...
Now, I'll look to System Events and I'll tell you what I find.
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