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Old 15th July 2019, 22:49   #56841  |  Link
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i can only tell a couple out of my head and they depend on the windows version.
FSE is simulated/faked on win 10. this is planned by microsoft and can result in all kinds of issues. they added a new great WFS 10 bit flip presentation but they can't leave there finger of FSE.
WFS 10 bit was broken a couple of times now this is not planned.
1903 just added a new level of banding thanks to yet another WDDM version this is month old.
windows 10 brought back the desktop composition mismatch issue from win 7. this is an extremely old bug and finally acknowledge by nvidia.
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Old 15th July 2019, 23:02   #56842  |  Link
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That's right, with a movie that peaks so low is best to preserve the blacks, as long as your TV has a sufficient contrast ratio. Increasing blacks also causes noise to appear that otherwise remains hidden.
Awesome, thx for confirming my theory. Dat new Battle Angel. Looks great, even if only ~150nit

gamma 2.2 relative w 100% black offset is pretty good at hiding black noise (setting recommended by Florian from dispcal for HDR)
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Old 15th July 2019, 23:09   #56843  |  Link
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You wanna watch the Open Matte release of Alita, not sure if it'll ever be released officially.
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Old 16th July 2019, 01:31   #56844  |  Link
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Hi.

I've been using madVR 'SDR' for a few years now. I recently got a projector that can also do HDR. I have the projector configured for both SDR & HDR formats. So I would like to know how I go about setting up profiles within madVR. I've found post that explains how to set up for resolutions profiles so that box is ticked. I would like to create a 'Calibration' profile to switch between HDR and SDR 'BT.709/BT.2020’. Is this possible?
Profile group name: DISPLAY
Use this auto select rule:
if (HDR) "BT.2020"
else "BT.709"

One profile name is BT.2020, the other is BT.709 for the calibration portion.

I ticked report BT.2020 to display (nVidia only) for BT.2020 although I can't remember why. Maybe someone knows exactly what that switch is for and can elaborate.
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Old 16th July 2019, 01:56   #56845  |  Link
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You wanna watch the Open Matte release of Alita, not sure if it'll ever be released officially.
Hahaha, major war goin' on in the Alita Threads, IMHO, I'll leave it up to the director to frame his movie. They both look fine to me. If I were myself truly important and non-self-deprecating, I'd opine that saving up the bitrate for a tighter crop is better because of how long the movie is, especially after adding DV track and 10+, if this was a BD100, then it'd go either way.
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Old 16th July 2019, 02:19   #56846  |  Link
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Use this auto select rule:
if (HDR) "BT.2020"
else "BT.709"

One profile name is BT.2020, the other is BT.709 for the calibration portion.

I ticked report BT.2020 to display (nVidia only) for BT.2020 although I can't remember why. Maybe someone knows exactly what that switch is for and can elaborate.
Report BT.2020 should only be needed if you select DCI-P3 in calibration. DCI-P3 sources and displays all follow BT.2020 color coordinates as defined by the ST.2100 UHD standard. If the display doesn't understand a DCI-P3 flag, the input colors might not be displayed with the correct BT.2020 coordinates.
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Old 16th July 2019, 06:54   #56847  |  Link
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Report BT.2020 should only be needed if you select DCI-P3 in calibration. DCI-P3 sources and displays all follow BT.2020 color coordinates as defined by the ST.2100 UHD standard. If the display doesn't understand a DCI-P3 flag, the input colors might not be displayed with the correct BT.2020 coordinates.


Thanks. My projector is the Epson ls10500. So think setting to DCI-P3 is correct.

What would happen if you select ‘disable calibration controls to this device’?
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Old 16th July 2019, 08:21   #56848  |  Link
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Report BT.2020 should only be needed if you select DCI-P3 in calibration. DCI-P3 sources and displays all follow BT.2020 color coordinates as defined by the ST.2100 UHD standard. If the display doesn't understand a DCI-P3 flag, the input colors might not be displayed with the correct BT.2020 coordinates.
Not with an LG Oled, colors get oversaturated using SDR if you profile the display and it switches bt.2020 mode, so it must be left unticked.
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Use this auto select rule:
if (HDR) "BT.2020"
else "BT.709"

One profile name is BT.2020, the other is BT.709 for the calibration portion.

I ticked report BT.2020 to display (nVidia only) for BT.2020 although I can't remember why. Maybe someone knows exactly what that switch is for and can elaborate.
Thank you.

Does this also apply if I wish to use two 3DLUT files?
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Old 16th July 2019, 10:33   #56850  |  Link
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windows 8 is recommended for technical reasons.
because you don't notice the technical regression doesn't mean they are not there.
Yes. But if a problem doesnīt show up for me, it is no problem to me.
E.g. why should a nvidia GPU user care about AMD GPU problems or vice versa?
In Windows 10 certain problems can show up which canīt show up in Windows 8. Ok, so itīs good to recommend Windows 8 in a general way.
On the other side many Windows 10 users donīt have problems. Letīs say 5% of the Windows 10 users have problems, which they wouldnīt have if using Windows 8. Then Iīd say: This 5% should downgrade to Windows 8, but the remaining 95% should still use Windows 10.

In my post I simply wanted to point at a personal problem with Windows 10 1903, a hint to maybe delay upgrading for others and the implicit question if someone else experiences similar problems.
Implicit answer: "Your fault, Windows 8 is the better/recommended/right OS for HTPC usage". Thatīs the point.
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Old 16th July 2019, 10:54   #56851  |  Link
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every 1903 user with new GPU driver get's banding everyone so you going to tell me that 5% and this is not the first time and this will not be the last time.

there is not a single know major problem with win 8 for years.

because you are willing to spend hours to fix win 10 don't except other user to waste there time.

windows 10 is a nightmare because it simply get's updated to often.
do we really need a new WDDM version every 6 months...
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Old 16th July 2019, 10:57   #56852  |  Link
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do we really need a new WDDM version every 6 months...
This has been confusing me as well... what is Microsoft doing?
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Old 16th July 2019, 12:23   #56853  |  Link
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I think people are totally overrating the impact of the new WDDM versions, as if that will always break the drivers and cause all issues. And its not like they are just doing it out of boredom, there is actually new and useful stuff being included.

Short recap of recent WDDM additions:
WDDM 2.0 (Windows 10): D3D12
WDDM 2.1 (1607): Shader Model 6.0 (improved parallelism for much better performance), HDR10, Variable Refresh Rate
WDDM 2.2 (1703): VR
WDDM 2.3 (1709): Backend technology improvements for better hardware control
WDDM 2.4 (1803): More primarily backend improvements, support for choosing your rendering device on a per-application basis
WDDM 2.5 (1809): Ray Tracing
WDDM 2.6 (1903): Shader Model 6.4 (ML stuff), Variable Rate Shading

Now you might not be interested in all of those, most are gaming-only afterall, but I would rather have the graphics stack being brought forward then it stagnating just because some people don't like change.
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Old 16th July 2019, 13:04   #56854  |  Link
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the added feature are not the problem it is the to short time frame. the major issues aren't stopping game mode, deleting personal files, reboot loops and now banding for everyone.
heck i have to buy a new studio mic soon because because 1903 decided that the driver isn't a windows driver anymore for an USB device.

shader model 6.4 will not be used in huge quantities any time soon. using insider builds to provide these new features every 3-6 months is great so developer can create content with these features a proper implementation takes a long time anyway. there is a fine difference between stagnation and forcing it down your throat. windows update have a terrible track record and forcing it out every 6 month clearly doesn't help. how may normal user would be negatively effected by delaying WDDM versions from 1607, 1709, 1803, 1903 for 6 months?

2 and a half month until we get a new WDDM version which will come first the banding fix or this new version your bets are on.
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Old 16th July 2019, 13:17   #56855  |  Link
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Not with an LG Oled, colors get oversaturated using SDR if you profile the display and it switches bt.2020 mode, so it must be left unticked.
Maybe the display can't do BT.2020 in SDR mode? Or maybe it has something to do with how the 3D LUT was profiled.

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Thanks. My projector is the Epson ls10500. So think setting to DCI-P3 is correct.

What would happen if you select ‘disable calibration controls to this device’?
DCI-P3 and BT.2020 should give you more or less the same colors with current content, but BT.2020 would be considered the correct setting if you aren't using a 3D LUT.

If you disable the controls, it defaults to BT.709 and pure power gamma 2.20.
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Old 16th July 2019, 13:19   #56857  |  Link
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I ticked report BT.2020 to display (nVidia only) for BT.2020 although I can't remember why. Maybe someone knows exactly what that switch is for and can elaborate.
One reason is for JVC pj users who want to output in 12 bit, the pj uses the wrong colourspace if the option is not set
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Old 16th July 2019, 13:22   #56858  |  Link
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Thank you.

Does this also apply if I wish to use two 3DLUT files?
If your 3D LUTs are for SDR and HDR content, that would work.
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WDDM 2.1 (1607): Shader Model 6.0 (improved parallelism for much better performance), HDR10, Variable Refresh Rate
FWIW, HDR seems to work fine in Windows 8.1. madVR put the Nvidia card into HDR mode, the TV switches and everything seems to work.
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FWIW, HDR seems to work fine in Windows 8.1. madVR put the Nvidia card into HDR mode, the TV switches and everything seems to work.
NVIDIA uses proprietary API to enable HDR on Windows 8.1, only with WDDM 2.1 is there an official OS-driven way to do it, which for application developers means they don't need to build that stuff 3 times (once for AMD, NVIDIA, Intel each).
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