HDConvertToX v. 3.0 (14/10/2010)

[rickhtoo]

so you are using the automatic deint ? if so.. sorry, as stated previusly this feature isn't supported and recommended

No I have not tried automatic as you said it didnt' work properly even though it is an option. I use the Deint test in Utliities to determine the deint method. However for a movie that's Interlaced/Telecine it does not detect it properly. Since I already knew it was Interlaced I figured out it must be a combination of the 2 though.

dss cannot be used for dvd input, BUT if you join all vobs in a big one, then dss could work

Ah, ok well that makes sense now, I did not realize that.

50 from vob

What is the best way to get that sample from the vob, I've never actually split one..

Thanks!

[zygo]

gday buzz

a new bug for you.
copy audio is selected for a bluray source with ac3. hdc extracts it fine but for some reason it is missing from the mkvmerge command line?

HDConvertToX v.1.8.332.2935 report

Input File: h:\original - twilight\twilight_au\bdmv\stream\00008.m2ts ( H:\original - twilight\TWILIGHT_AU\BDMV\STREAM\00008.m2ts )
Codec Video: vc-1
Width / Heigh : 1920 / 1080
Framerate / Framecount: 23.976 / 176341
Duration(hh:mm:ss): 2:2:35
Aspect Ratio: 1.7778
Resized resolution: 1280 / 528
Crop Values : 0:134:0:134
Activate: Follow ITU Resizing

Start Video Configuration ->
Encoding Settings: X264 in MKV
NMT Compatibility: On
Encoding Preset: 11
Final Size: 18
Priority: idle
Denoise Level: Super Light
Video Handling: Use Best Decoder
-> End Video Configuration

Start Audio Configuration ->
Audio Codec: Copy Audio
Audio Bitrate/Quality: 128
Audio Channels: 2
MP3 Mode: abr
Normalize: On
Audio handling: Use Eac3to as demuxer
Keep only core: On
-> End Audio Configuration

Full Audio List-> (*** mean selected)
NONE
*** 3: ac3, english, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27db
4: raw/pcm, english, 2.0 channels, 16 bits, 48khz
5: ac3, english, 2.0 channels, 320kbps, 48khz

-> End Full Audio List

Full Subtitle List-> (*** mean selected)
*** NONE
*** 6: subtitle (pgs), undetermined

-> End Full Subtitle List

Mux Subtitle in MP4/MKV file: On

Start Advanced AviSynth ->
-> End Advanced AviSynth

Start Queue ->
prompt $d $t $_$P$G

"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\eac3to.exe" "h:\original - twilight\twilight_au\bdmv\stream\00008.m2ts" 6:"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdencodertox__subs_6.sup"
"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\eac3to.exe" "h:\original - twilight\twilight_au\bdmv\stream\00008.m2ts" 3: "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdencodertox-pid3.ac3"
java -jar "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\BDSup2Sub.jar" "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdencodertox__subs_6.sup" "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdencodertox__subs_6.idx" /res:pal
"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\x264.exe" --crf 18 --threads auto --thread-input --no-psnr --progress --keyint 250 --bframes 3 --mixed-refs --trellis 0 --ref 3 --deblock -1,-1 --subme 9 --direct auto --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 25000 --me umh --no-ssim --weightb --b-adapt 1 --no-chroma-me --8x8dct --aud --nal-hrd --aq-strength 1 --sar 1:1  --output "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdconverttox_00008.h264" "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdconverttox_00008.avs" --level 4.0 
"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\eac3to.exe" "h:\original - twilight\twilight_au\bdmv\stream\00008.m2ts" 1:"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\chapters.txt"
"C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\applications\mkvmerge.exe" -o "C:\Users\Public\Documents\Twilight 720p.MKV" --default-duration 0:23.976fps  "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdconverttox_00008.h264"  --default-track -1:no  "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdencodertox__subs_6.idx"  --chapters "C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\chapters.txt"  --title "Done with HDConvertToX v.1.7.329.2930" -> End Queue

AviSynth Script ->
Working with files: C:\Downloads\2009_06_05\HDConvertToX_1.8.332.2935\temp\hdconverttox_00008.avs
try {
directshowsource("h:\original - twilight\twilight_au\bdmv\stream\00008.m2ts",audio=false)
last = isRGB(last) ? ConvertToYV12(last) : last
last = isYUY2(last) ? ConvertToYV12(last) : last
LanczosResize(1280,528,0,134,-0,-134)
hqdn3d(1)
}
catch (err) {
last=BlankClip()
converttoyv12()
subtitle(err)
trim(0,1500)
}
-> End AviSynth Script

[zygo]

gday again buzz

i have a couple of requests/suggestions for hdc.

1) can there be a "chapters" box added to the source file info panel (see attached modified jpg)

2) in the crop/resize panel can you add some preset frame sizes (1080p, 720p, 576p etc. maybe also whatever is std psp and ipod screen size etc.)
the way i am suggesting they work is...
after analyzing you get the autocrop size of the frame.
this frame size is then upsized/downsized until it fits within the preset framesize.
because of the mod block width & height you have set, the AR error may be large so... the crop gets adjusted out until a minimum ar error is achieved.

i may not be explaining myself to well so i will run thru what i do now manually

source is 1080p, movie ar=2.4616
mod block set to 16 x 16

after analyzing:
autocrop is 0,0,140,140
resize is 1920x784
ar error is 0.5140

as i want 720p i adjust my manual width to 1280 (i know the height will be less than 720)

the height adjusts to 512 (because of mod block height being 16)
but now the ar error is -1.5373

so i adjust the crop sizes for the height out to find the least ar error.
as i do this, the manually set width x height clicks over to 1280 x 528
and when i get to a crop of 0,0,134,134 i get an ar error of 0.0391.... (thats as good as it gets & thats what i will encode at)

what do you think? or is it just me that does/needs this?

see attached jpg for an idea of layout

cheers

[buzzqw]

Originally Posted by zygo

gday buzz
a new bug for you.
copy audio is selected for a bluray source with ac3. hdc extracts it fine but for some reason it is missing from the mkvmerge command line?

sorry pal, i wasn't able to replicate could you send me a sample ? (50/100mb)

use neuron2 dgsplit

Originally Posted by rickhtoo

No I have not tried automatic as you said it didnt' work properly even though it is an option. I use the Deint test in Utliities to determine the deint method. However for a movie that's Interlaced/Telecine it does not detect it properly. Since I already knew it was Interlaced I figured out it must be a combination of the 2 though.

welcome to the hugly words of bad telecine

What is the best way to get that sample from the vob, I've never actually split one..

use neuron2 dgsplit

Originally Posted by zygo

gday again buzz

i have a couple of requests/suggestions for hdc.

1) can there be a "chapters" box added to the source file info panel (see attached modified jpg)

2) in the crop/resize panel can you add some preset frame sizes (1080p, 720p, 576p etc. maybe also whatever is std psp and ipod screen size etc.)

nice suggestions, thanks

BHH

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by zygo

gday again buzz
2) in the crop/resize panel can you add some preset frame sizes (1080p, 720p, 576p ....

This would normally imply to (re-)add black borders correctly. Just cropping and resizing to some standard resolution would introduce non-standard anamorphic distortion (which has to be signalled accordingly in the stream or container). Non standard anamorphic distortions may playback fine on some software players, but would normally cause problems with any authoring SW and/or standalones. I doubt if this is what you really want.

[zygo]

Originally Posted by Sharc

This would normally imply to (re-)add black borders correctly. Just cropping and resizing to some standard resolution would introduce non-standard anamorphic distortion (which has to be signalled accordingly in the stream or container). Non standard anamorphic distortions may playback fine on some software players, but would normally cause problems with any authoring SW and/or standalones. I doubt if this is what you really want.

gday sharc

you have miss understood what i am doing. i dont want anamorphic, nor do i want to add black borders to bring it up to fill a 720p frame or whatever.

most of the time i am cropping to get rid of the black borders, but as the new (auto cropped) size is rarely devisable 16x16 there is an ar error when resized to a reolution that is 16x16.
i am suggesting that when selected, the autocropped settings are adjusted out to the nearest, closest, lowest ar error.
(dont crop off as much)

from my example you can see that cropping off 6 pixels less top and bottom gives me a very minimal ar error while keeping 16x16 and within the bounds of 1280x720 (720p)

im not saying to fill the frame completely, just to make sure that either the width or height are on the frame size and the other is within it (not outside it)

hope this explains it better

cheers

[Sharc]

Originally Posted by zygo

... from my example you can see that cropping off 6 pixels less top and bottom gives me a very minimal ar error while keeping 16x16 and within the bounds of 1280x720 (720p)

Hmm, seems to me that you want the money AND the bread.
If you crop by 6 pixels less (134 instead of 140), doesn't it leave you with 6 pixels black borders then for the sake of getting minimum AR error? (A short clip of your source would definitely help).
Anyway, I feel it's a bit misleading to just put like "crop and resize to a x b" in the GUI.

Off the record: I have seen that after analyze (or similar action) it may be necessary to click with the mouse on the slider (not moving it) to get the sizing values updated.

Edit:
Btw., for x264 neither mod16 compliance nor black borders crossing macroblocks boundaries are terribly important, as x264 copes very efficiently with such effects.

[buzzqw]

from my point of view is easy to add a combo for select some preset resize, BUT i will simply set height to this value, i will not change crop or mod width/height

what do you think ?

BHH

[Sharc]

Not sure if this meets zygo's purpose, but he may comment.

[spida_singh]

buzz, i know you probably looking to fix bugs etc, but, was just thinking about extra features. I currently backup my blu rays to m2ts files, but, with this, i loose chapters and subtitles. I will be getting the new PCH (NMT) which will be able to stream BD ISO's and read avchd/blu ray structures from folders/hard drives over the network.

I think you can see where I am going with this, will it be possible to add an output to avchd/blu ray structures? I can then have subtitles and chapters.....even menu's with deans programs . Ripbot has this feature, you can select the video track, audio track, subtitles and chapters to output to an avchd/blu ray structure. I have donated 20USD to give it some extra thought

regards

[buzzqw]

@spida

redownload HDC

EDIT: it's just a basic concept
when you select x264 as codec, you can output a avchd or a blueray structure (regardless you have select x264+mkv or x264+m2ts)
autochapters will work too, but no copy chapter from original movie (i must look at it)

BHH

[spida_singh]

Originally Posted by buzzqw

@spida

redownload HDC

EDIT: it's just a basic concept
when you select x264 as codec, you can output a avchd or a blueray structure (regardless you have select x264+mkv or x264+m2ts)
autochapters will work too, but no copy chapter from original movie (i must look at it)

BHH

Excellent!! I would prefer copy chapters from movie....let me know how it goes.

regards

[tfhfony]

I still am having a problem with HDConvertToX (So, I am still using AutoMKV at the moment.) Let me try to explain.

When I have a PAL movie in a 4:3 AR, with a resolution of 720 * 576, from which I want to crop 16 - 16 from left and right, and 8 - 8 from top and bottom, which would leave me a 688 x 560 file.

How do I tell HDConvertToX to use that resolution?

* If I try to enter it, HDConvertToX will automaticly scale it to 688x520 (or688x528 if I set MOD16)
* I can select anamorphic, which will give me 688 x 560, but this will screw op the AR.

How can I solve this?

Thanks!

[buzzqw]

@tfhfony
the height it editable! just write 560

BHH

[buzzqw]

@spida_singh

please send me (pm) a chapter file extracted from m2ts (i haven't one)

BHH

[spida_singh]

Originally Posted by buzzqw

@spida_singh

please send me (pm) a chapter file extracted from m2ts (i haven't one)

BHH

sent you a pm

[Mrsash]

Hey Buzz what's good to use on Mpeg2 video captured of the air which is letterboxed or 4:3 but black bars on either side? I tired analysing with HDC but it would not show me properly in visual crop windows to make adjustments.
thanks

[rickhtoo]

use neuron2 dgsplit

Ok done. How should I get this sample to you, attach to PM?

I have another question if you don't mind. Let's say I have a movie that tests to be telecine with HDC. This same movie would show tff and telecine using AutoMKV. Since AutoMKV doesn't have Telecine as a choice in the Deint option, what method does it use? Also I can't seem to find a field order selection in HDC, how does it know to choose tff?

Thanks Buzz!

[buzzqw]

@spida_singh AND sharc

thanks

@Mrsash

in visual crop you should see only the corner of image

what's the problem ? (i haven't fully understud your problem)

@rickhtoo
telecine, ntsc progressive, film patter always use the same deinterlacers, and field order isn't necessary (top/bottom)

BHH

[buzzqw]

@ALL

about chapter in bluray/avchd

as you know HDC will work using its strong queue features, and by time of adding work to queue, the chapters aren't already extracted (you can see the chapter extraction in queue)

BUT: if i want to add support to bluray/avchd chapters i must know the exact timing os chapters BEFORE adding works to queue

my question is: how is fast chapter extracting using eac3to ?

thinks about this: you click "add to queue" (or "generate encode"), before the job start or queue are generated, hdc will force eac3to to scan m2ts for extracting chapters and then will create the appropriate timing in tsmuxer meta's file

i truly don't know how fast can be, if is a matter of seconds, could be insteresing, but if require more time.. don't know if can be useful

thanks

BHH