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Old 14th February 2020, 11:35   #58621  |  Link
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Hello guys,

It's been a long time since I've posted here. I changed my AV-receiver because the previous one died suddenly and thus my custom modes are not valid anymore.

I tried to create a custom mode for 23hz (23.976) and 24hz on my Nvidia card but it refuses to do it because when I create a 23hz optimized mode, it creates a 24hz custom refresh rate in the Nvidia panel and doesn't allow to create a second (a real) 24hz mode.

It's very frustrating because my new Denon AV-receiver accepts a lot more custom refresh rates than my old Onkyo but when I try to save, it keeps telling me "the GPU driver rejected this mode for unknown reasons".

Is there a solution to this problem? I'm sorry in advance if has been asked before but I didn't find the answer when I Googled it.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:41   #58622  |  Link
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I tried to create a custom mode for 23hz and 24hz on my Nvidia card but it refuses to do it because when I create a 23hz optimized mode, it creates a 24hz custom mode in the Nvidia panel and doesn't allow to create a second (a real) 24hz mode
Try using (23.976 and 48.000) or (24.000 and 47.952) Hz. If your display device accepts these of course.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:42   #58623  |  Link
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The Intel performance issue might be due to memory speed/bandwidth being a bottleneck. So try reducing the queue sizes in madVR settings. For example to half the current values.

options > rendering > general settings
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:47   #58624  |  Link
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Unsure what you mean.

Create a 23 or 24 profile and set it to 23.976 in the nVidia control panel, it will say 24 whichever one you use, and when you look back after it saves it wont say 23.976 either but it does work.

I seem to be lucky and all I have to do is change the total pixels in the Vertical from 2250 TO 2249 and it just seems to work.

https://imgur.com/a/jFWM0dZ

I cant see why a different AV receiver would affect it, but I may be missing something.
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Old 14th February 2020, 14:56   #58625  |  Link
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The Intel performance issue might be due to memory speed/bandwidth being a bottleneck. So try reducing the queue sizes in madVR settings. For example to half the current values.

options > rendering > general settings

Could be memory, but we've used madvr on much slower machines that are single channel.. not likely but yea def try it.
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Old 14th February 2020, 20:41   #58626  |  Link
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Try using (23.976 and 48.000) or (24.000 and 47.952) Hz. If your display device accepts these of course.
I created a 48hz custom mode easily and everything seems to work perfectly fine. Thanks for the tip !
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Old 14th February 2020, 23:08   #58627  |  Link
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And what if you use DXVA for Luma upscaling? Your GPU is operating at quite high usage.
I don't know, I tried the default settings, I also tried pretty much every option which I thought might effect the performance.
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Post your lav filter video settings,

Try also, disabling dxva in lav.
https://imgur.com/tfQBGDk
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Does this happen with all video files, or only this one.

Does it happen with 23.976fps standard 1080p files that are (NOT from this tv-show) that you're watching now.
It happens with none-standard videos, such as 25fps, 60fps.
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if this doesn't fix it can you make a new screen with the madVR OSD and GPU-Z with GPU clock and "memory used (de..." set to max?
I'm not sure what you mean, how do I do that?
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just to be clear the HD 4000 was barely able to use madVR when it was new but it was able to do it.
It is able, I don't think there were any problems with it before I started getting this jitter.
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Old 14th February 2020, 23:35   #58628  |  Link
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when you click on the mhz number it self you change the logging of this field the max gives me a better idea of what is really happening.


here is an example:
https://abload.de/img/hd40007yk0q.png

your video shows serious issue with DXVA processing.
this 50i file that you are playing there is far far harder to handle then a 1080p23 file.

this is BTW. a totally normal file just a standard pal DVD.
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Old 15th February 2020, 00:07   #58629  |  Link
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when you click on the mhz number it self you change the logging of this field the max gives me a better idea of what is really happening.


here is an example:
https://abload.de/img/hd40007yk0q.png

your video shows serious issue with DXVA processing.
this 50i file that you are playing there is far far harder to handle then a 1080p23 file.

this is BTW. a totally normal file just a standard pal DVD.
Here: https://imgur.com/1H6SG1G
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Old 15th February 2020, 00:42   #58630  |  Link
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now it getting strange the rendertimes are totally fine now that you are using yadif. your iGPU even boost to it proper boost clock for a very short time now.

i test my HD 4000 tomorrow i have to connect it first.
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Old 15th February 2020, 09:33   #58631  |  Link
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But its also not deinterlacing now and its 50 FPS both.
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Old 15th February 2020, 10:35   #58632  |  Link
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yadif deinterlaced the source to 50 FPS so everything is correct.
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Old 16th February 2020, 17:54   #58633  |  Link
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Hi, hoping someone can help, ive just upgraded from a gtx1060 to a rtx 2070 super, but now when playing a UHD movie it stutters every 1 or 2 seconds, never had this with the 1060 it ran smooth, the gpu usage of the 2070 is showing 28% ive tried turning everything to low in madvr, render time is 6ms, thanks

hmm ok so I have 3 displays connected same as when I had the 1060, movies don't stutter on the other 2 displays only on the TV, the tv is connected via hdmi and the other 2 display port

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Old 16th February 2020, 18:43   #58634  |  Link
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can you make a screen of the OSD sounds like a composition mismatch.

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didn't forget you i just had less time then expected i will test my hd4000 soon.

edit:my HD 4000 goes crazy when d3d11 is used for presentation.
i fixed it by doing this:
rendering -> general -> uncheck "use direct3d 11..."
rendering -> general -> check "enable windowed overlay..."

make sure everything else is not checked on this page.
leave the GPU and CPU queue sizes at default.
windows installed driver version 10.18.10.4358 from 2015 i just took it and didn't put it into question.

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Old 16th February 2020, 22:03   #58635  |  Link
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Hi heres a screen shot of the stats

https://ibb.co/3v0dpcJ
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Old 16th February 2020, 22:36   #58636  |  Link
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is this screen with the other screen on or off?
d3d9 overlay could fix this too this could be the RTX bug too try present at advanced at 3 or lower.
other things.
DXVA2 native is no recommended use a different decoder.
the refreshrate is not correct this file needs 23p.
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Old 16th February 2020, 23:08   #58637  |  Link
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ok cheers, ill have a look later, yes I changed from 23 to 24 cos I thought it was that but haven't changed the forced modes back,

Update

Thanks huhn your a life saver

all 3 screens are on

D3D9 just made the screen strobe like mad

exclusive mode "frames shall be presented in advance" set to 1 any higher and I get the stuttering

im now using LAV

and now back to 23 fps

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Old 17th February 2020, 00:50   #58638  |  Link
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my HD 4000 goes crazy when d3d11 is used for presentation.
i fixed it by doing this:
rendering -> general -> uncheck "use direct3d 11..."
rendering -> general -> check "enable windowed overlay..."

make sure everything else is not checked on this page.
leave the GPU and CPU queue sizes at default.
windows installed driver version 10.18.10.4358 from 2015 i just took it and didn't put it into question.
Wow! I can't believe it actually works! After so much pain! And I thought I had tried every possible option, but, of course, it would have been difficult to determine that exact combination. Thank you so much! Do you have any idea why this happens?
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Old 17th February 2020, 03:45   #58639  |  Link
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i guess very bad d3d11 support from intel and how overlay works it ignores everything related to the OS so it's still the "same" since windows 7 and not as much affected by the changes in windows 10.

it's not like overlay is perfect you shouldn't be able to make screenshoots anymore.
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Old 17th February 2020, 10:13   #58640  |  Link
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i guess very bad d3d11 support from intel and how overlay works it ignores everything related to the OS so it's still the "same" since windows 7 and not as much affected by the changes in windows 10.

it's not like overlay is perfect you shouldn't be able to make screenshoots anymore.
I see. Now I remember that I wasn't able to make screenshots with madvr before, until I could at some point. I guess that's when it all started. Not a big loss.
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