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Old 2nd April 2015, 07:19   #1  |  Link
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V-Nova Perseus video [s/codec/noise modeller] announced

It is always again amazing when groundbreaking technologies are announced around the 1st of April; this time, a new consortium named V-Nova claims to be twice as efficient as HEVC while fast enough for realtime HD compression. Does this have any relation to NGIV, or is it just another hoax?
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It is always again amazing when groundbreaking technologies are announced around the 1st of April; this time, a new consortium named V-Nova claims to be twice as efficient as HEVC while fast enough for realtime HD compression. Does this have any relation to NGIV, or is it just another hoax?
Announcement came on April 1st but I hope its real.
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Announcement came on April 1st but I hope its real.
Yeah, the announcement is real, that's for sure. Unfortunately, the claims and promises about all superiority of their codec in that announcement are not.
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Is there a possibility to get funding for independent research projects like NGIV?

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Yeah, the announcement is real, that's for sure. Unfortunately, the claims and promises about all superiority of their codec in that announcement are not.
oh, that's unfortunate.
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In there Full Press Release (PDF) they have endorsements of Broadcom and EBU.
Well this makes me realy look forwards to the NAB Show 2015 (Las Vegas, April 13-16),
for now we can only wait untill the other shoe drops.
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In there Full Press Release (PDF) they have endorsements of Broadcom and EBU.
Well this makes me realy look forwards to the NAB Show 2015 (Las Vegas, April 13-16),
for now we can only wait untill the other shoe drops.
Not to get things on-topic, but I just got back from five days at NAB. I didn't see or hear anything about Nova there, nor NGIV (although that gets a pass based on not having made extraordinary claims).

Did anyone learn or see anything? The codec buzz and demos at the show were all HEVC for new stuff. Very little MPEG-2 compared to past years. Tons of AVC, of course, but that wasn't what was getting really highlighted.
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Well @ the VideoHelp forum there is photographic evidence of their presence.
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Well @ the VideoHelp forum there is photographic evidence of their presence.

Thanks. I know some of those guys, including one I've worked with quite closely and fruitfully with in recent years. I'm taking this a lot more seriously now. The use of non-standard codecs in backhaul certainly has happened before. And VisualOn already supports software decoders, so adding a new one could make sense for them.


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Remember DivX testing their new codecs with the community here. Even though Atéme could not compete with x264 after all, discussing flaws and possible improvements here improved their code to some extent. I hope the V-Nova developers won't be afraid to share a codec for discussion and improvements as well, may it be as basic as Daala's, possibly with a date killswitch... Here at doom9 they will find people with technical background, able to detect flaws and to provide suggestions.
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Can there be any more buzzwords?
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Can there be any more buzzwords?
Always. The press release didn't even use "disruptive" .

No one ever ran with my slogan for VC-1:
"Adaptive Deadzone - it's not a threat, it's a promise."
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“We don’t touch lots of the standards. We only touch one very tiny thing, which is the elemental stream and some of the transforms. The standardization worries are misplaced. It works, it is inexpensive, so where is the problem and why is there a need to rubber-stamp PERSEUS with a standardization body?"

He also emphasizes that in the real world, PERSEUS is not an alternative codec to H.264 or HEVC but will be used with encoders that also have these compression capabilities. So the expectation is that it will be offered to platform operators by encoder vendors who license PERSEUS as an option. Meardi emphasizes that this new codec is not going to create a fork in the road in the current upgrade process, which until now has been a straight and clear route from H.264 to HEVC encoding.
Sounds like requantization in some different HVS way ?
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Sounds like psy.
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On their team is at least one of the Engineers of the Super-FX GPU (Argonaut Games London)

Luca Rossato is the Chief scientist worked on MPEG mainly for Telecom Italia (he is credited with 25 years of MPEG experience)

Guido Meardi seems the Mckinsey Super Econimics Brain hes also mentioned as Inventor in the Patents application though, he doesn't speak like a total IT noob about Perseus

Before this he was mainly active in Automated Lean Production optimization

Yeah it sounds something they could have contrubuted to the standardization process of H.265 but they didn't VC-1 all over again only that it's not a whole codec but more a subset it seems.
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I read that Airbus has licensed it to transmit HD video over 3G...

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I wouldn't wish anyone to discover being a hype victim...
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I wouldn't wish anyone to discover being a hype victim...
Do not make yourself a victim prematurely...
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I saw their public demos at NAB and they were impressive, but they've been very secretive about giving private demos or hands-on access to codec tools. Their leadership and engineering roster seems legit, but the way they're going on about it definitely screams "vaporware".
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I saw their public demos at NAB and they were impressive
Hi! What impressed?
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