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Old 6th November 2018, 20:28   #53601  |  Link
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Why is NGU better regarded than Jinc when there's the added addition of "other artifacts"?
because it is generally better.
there are some cases where NGU sharp fails that is hard compressed files. while jinc only fails with what was it pixelart. it's a relative simple algorithm in comparison to NGU which can go wrong.

these rating bars lost quite some use i'm mean madshi didn't even bother to change them between soft, standard, sharp and AA and they clearly don't have the same sharpness.
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Old 6th November 2018, 20:32   #53602  |  Link
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because it is generally better.
there are some cases where NGU sharp fails that is hard compressed files. while jinc only fails with what was it pixelart. it's a relative simple algorithm in comparison to NGU which can go wrong.

these rating bars lost quite some use i'm mean madshi didn't even bother to change them between soft, standard, sharp and AA and they clearly don't have the same sharpness.
It would be good, if we could see each NGU sharpness level.
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Old 6th November 2018, 20:36   #53603  |  Link
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these number bars are not so help IMO anyway.

i never select a scaler depending on these bars i selected it on the results.

and i wouldn't be shocked if madshi removes standard and soft just to see how many even care.
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Old 6th November 2018, 20:53   #53604  |  Link
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these number bars are not so help IMO anyway.

i never select a scaler depending on these bars i selected it on the results.

and i wouldn't be shocked if madshi removes standard and soft just to see how many even care.
I kinda like NGU Standart, NGU Sharp seems kinda artificial to me, never used NGU Soft.
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Old 6th November 2018, 21:14   #53605  |  Link
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Yeah I think the plan was to remove those bars, also NGU soft probably won't be missed.

NGU sharp is very nice, probably looks best when downscaling it, so probably not so useful for 4k screen owners, I don't use it with much of any other sharpening but it looks great on my screen on 720 and 1080 content that I'm okay having it chew a total of 30ms on my GeForce 1080 in combination with SSIM 2D.

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Old 7th November 2018, 01:54   #53606  |  Link
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I kinda like NGU Standart, NGU Sharp seems kinda artificial to me, never used NGU Soft.
NGU Soft is quite useful for 720p -> 1080p upscaling, it looks more natural than NGU Standard.

Hope madVR can keep NGU Soft in the future versions.
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Old 7th November 2018, 03:19   #53607  |  Link
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NGU sharp is very nice, probably looks best when downscaling it, so probably not so useful for 4k screen owners, I don't use it with much of any other sharpening but it looks great on my screen on 720 and 1080 content that I'm okay having it chew a total of 30ms on my GeForce 1080 in combination with SSIM 2D.
How can you choose NGU sharp when downscaling ? In combination with SSIM 2D ?
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Old 7th November 2018, 03:21   #53608  |  Link
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Upscale with NGU then downscale with SSIM, NGU is only an upscaler, SSIM is only a downscaler.
I prefer this as my primary sharpening process.
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NGU Soft is quite useful for 720p -> 1080p upscaling, it looks more natural than NGU Standard.
I like NGU AA over NGU soft for content that needs a more natural looking upscale. 720 -> 1080 is a pretty small upscale so differences are more subtle but you don't like NGU AA for that?
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Old 7th November 2018, 06:31   #53610  |  Link
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Upscale with NGU then downscale with SSIM, NGU is only an upscaler, SSIM is only a downscaler.
I prefer this as my primary sharpening process.
I totally agree with this as well... I don't use any other upscaling refinement or image enhancements.

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Old 7th November 2018, 06:38   #53611  |  Link
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Upscale with NGU then downscale with SSIM, NGU is only an upscaler, SSIM is only a downscaler.
I prefer this as my primary sharpening process.
Do you use a 4K display?
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Old 7th November 2018, 07:28   #53612  |  Link
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I like NGU AA over NGU soft for content that needs a more natural looking upscale. 720 -> 1080 is a pretty small upscale so differences are more subtle but you don't like NGU AA for that?
No, I prefer NGU Soft more, since not only the picture, but also the hardcoded subtitle looks more natural with NGU Soft, comparing with NGU AA.
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I don't think NGU Sharp is too sharp when you upscale 1080p to 2160p. Any reason why NGU AA would be better here?
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Old 7th November 2018, 09:41   #53614  |  Link
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I don't think NGU Sharp is too sharp when you upscale 1080p to 2160p. Any reason why NGU AA would be better here?
There is no right or wrong, the majority is down to personal taste. It is the same with people asking for settings for a certain video card, there is no point. Some like a sharper picture, some say that in itself creates issues, so whatever you like is what matters.
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Do you use a 4K display?
He already stated he can't afford one.
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LOL, got more than enough in the bank to buy the best TV on the shop floor, thank you very much. Any mods around?
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Old 7th November 2018, 13:51   #53617  |  Link
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He already stated he can't afford one.
If you are rolling in money, why don't you just upgrade your GPU? The GTX 960 is getting old. I don't understand the argument that an OLED will improve image quality but a GTX 1060 - 1080 won't. You aren't using the maximum settings. They aren't meant to be a placebo.

Also, there are still no 4K displays with HDMI 2.1 or any that can display an HDR image up to 4,000 nits without tone mapping with an infinite contrast ratio. 4K HDR is still in the early adopter phase.
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a lot of this is getting into general territory and spamming the thread a bit, if people genuinely want to thrash this out why dont you go to the general thread.

- remember MADSHI has to read through all this, its just a waste of his precious coding time

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175769
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Some time ago madshi posted this

Is it still up to date to prefer Windows 8.1 and NVIDIA?

For the moment I'm testing with AMD RX560 and Windows 10 1809 Enterprise and KODI DS 17.6, but sometimes the screen gets no signal after a movie finished and I must reset the PC.
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Some time ago madshi posted this

Is it still up to date to prefer Windows 8.1 and NVIDIA?

For the moment I'm testing with AMD RX560 and Windows 10 1809 Enterprise and KODI DS 17.6, but sometimes the screen gets no signal after a movie finished and I must reset the PC.
ive had that myself and still get it with 3D movies. (no longer crashes PC though)

As a test - Do you have Full screen exclusive mode ticked, try that. Also remove any 1080p display modes from MADVR if you are upscaling everything to 4K, or use refresh rate switching on you video player instead

Are you sure its crashing the PC, try RDP on to check its not just lost HDMI link.
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