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No fundamental problems here. XP SP3, ATI 2600 PRO 512 MB, Catalyst 9.2, Zoomplayer. No tearing, smoothness is on par with overlay and vmr7 when using reclock. Just some small things:
1) The options do not get saved, and the dialog looks wierd (white boxes) 2) Picture looks a tad to light - according to the 3dlut employed it should expand just as the ATI drivers do. But it seems different. It's not a 16 vs. 0 difference more a 2 vs. 0. Could it be that the ATI level expansion is not very accurate? Or is there still a small inaccuracy in this renderer? Is there a way to save the resulting RGB frame? Then one could easily compare with the real values... bye, Casshern Last edited by Casshern; 11th April 2009 at 12:28. |
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I guess we need to figure out the minimum required card for 1080p video, if it is these cards that are the issue. I was looking at video card prices and for the ~$200 or so I paid for the 2600XT, I can get a 4850 or somesuch. What's Madshi got (cue re-reading this thread..)? That would be a good place to start! And yes please, can you create a thread with the basics of creating a 3dlut? Currently I run a custom gamma curve (hand crafted with VideoEqualiser which a CRT owner in the AVS CRT forum wrote), on a CRT calibrated with HCFR (which was in-turn calibrated against Colorfacts with the help of a friend). Can I use HCFR to help generate a 3d lut? Does it/can it replace my custom gamma curve? Please answer in a new thread! Thanks Mark |
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I tested disabling all of preformance options, and it still tears. The tearing is not very noticable on most scenes - it can be missed at a casual glance, but the Reclock tearing test reveals all. There are about 5 minor tears, spaced up the screen. Normally tearing is one big tear towards the top of the screen. This is different. I take your point about the HD2600 series cards. It may be time for an upgrade. |
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11th April 2009, 13:07 | #105 | Link | ||
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I think you (like me) might be using another color for your windows backgrounds instead of the default white...
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11th April 2009, 13:27 | #106 | Link |
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First of all, thanks for another great project Madshi.
I tested some AVC Blu-rays on two machines. I'm using the same software setup on both machines XP+SP3, Zoomplayer, Haali splitter and CoreAVC. On the NVidia 7600GT machine I get 90-100% CPU usage and the image stutters as hell. So I can't conclude whether the vidcard lacks power since the CPU usage alone would result in serious stuttering. On a NVidia 9500GT on the other hand the CPU usage is normal (about 20-25%) and at first sight the video is smooth. Not very reliable since this is small PC Monitor. Will test this later with my PJ on a large screen. It would be great if your effort to create smooth pan's would apply not only to 24p but also to 59,94 Hz displays. My projector unfortunately cannot do 24p. Of course you can't resolve the 3:2 judder, but now there are pans from time to time that are so bad that they are hard to watch. There might be a annoying problem with custom timings on modern vidcards. Powerstrip doesn't support NVidia after the Geforce7 series and the Nvidia drivers are in my experience very unreliable creating custom timings. I do not know about ATI though. |
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I noticed no tearing on an AGP 2600 Pro 512 MB passive (MSI). I have set catalyst to activate vsync synchonization if the application does not specify and use zoomplayer with reclock (but without vsync correction). But will check again tonight.
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I tried the CCC V-sync settings. No difference. Reclock tearing test shows tearing. Video is playing on my secondary monitor, that could be an issue (it is with Haali if Aero is enabled, that causes tearing..Aero gets confused with two monitors). |
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it all works fine w/ 25/29.97fps MKV and any other container, just 23.976 MKV crap out constantly....I think HR/HMS are too tied up together, and there's some glitch in either of those that apparently will NEVER be fixed madVR might very well be the answer to all this Reclock hiccup and offer perfect smoothness OOTB...and if it could have a "compatibility" mode that uses the GUID of another renderer(VMR7/EVR/HR?) it could even work in *ANY* player(PDVD9/TMT3/KMPlayer) 2009 started well w/ CoreAVC CUDA and all, it might look even better w/ madVR....hopefully we'll also get an english.ini for PotPlayer(new player from the original KMP coder) soon enough Last edited by leeperry; 11th April 2009 at 14:32. |
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With madVR doing everything in the GPU, we would have more CPU power for software AVC decoding... |
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We definitely need some clarification from the developer regarding what shader version it uses and how many shader units are employed simultaneously. I'm looking into upgrade options and this renderer would fasttrack it However I'm looking into the card which is able to produce 10bit colour, as one of my monitors is CRT which is theoretically able to produce deepcolour (few LCD panels are able to do it, and they do cost alot ) Last edited by Egh; 11th April 2009 at 15:28. |
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It seems we can only achieve >8bit color with digital displays... |
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I can't find a way to reproduce this each time but it happens to me when I'm successively playing different video formats (Xvid, MPEG2, H264, VC-1) in different containers (AVI, MPG, MP4, MKV, WMV) and with different resolutions (from 512*288 up to 1920*1080). There is also something wrong when MadVR is used in GraphEdit/GraphStudio. The caption bar of the MadVR window has no controls (no system menu, no buttons) and it's cropping the video because the whole MadVR window is at the video native resolution but this includes the caption bar. Screenshots: With default VMR the whole window is 520*315 but the video part is 512*288 which is the resolution of the video: With MadVR the whole window is 512*288 including the caption bar which ends up with a cropped video: In these screenshots you can also notice the difference between colors. I got the cr3dlut v2 tool but I'm not sure about which parameters to use to create a new 3dlut for SD with MadVR (say for DVD and DVB MPEG2 SD). Please, could anyone post a 3dlut file for this ? |
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Input_Bit_Depth 8 Input_Video_Format PAL_DVD YCbCr Output_Bit_Depth 16 Output_Video_Format PAL_DVD RGB_PC Soon I will open a thread for cr3dlut helping and discussion... |
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but because of the D/A > A/D conversions, and the fact that CRT monitors have legacy onboard IC....prolly it doesn't really matter. as about sending pure 10bit, well for the same reasons I'd be rather dubious...or maybe w/ 5BNC connectors on professional broadcast equipment. Quote:
my GF9600GSO is actually a rebadged 8800GS and it's got 96SP(the regular 9600GT has only 64), so w/ an o/c Q6600 it should take the load hopefully Last edited by leeperry; 11th April 2009 at 16:45. |
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Ok, I tried with a HD 4650, Win 7, Catalyst 9.3, MPC-HC, Reclock (my display doesn't support 24Hz, so I need it to stretch 23,976/24fps to 25Hz), a 1280x720 projector and a 2.5 mt wide screen.
HD-mkv mostly H.264 720p, some 1080p No problem of any type. No crashes, no tearing at all (Reclock tearing test is perfect), no glitches. Quality is very high with respect to EVR(CP), expecially colours. Particularly in "Speed Racer" the difference in colours between the two renderers is impressive. With madVR there is a sort of "higher colour resolution". Smoothness can be improved. Like other renderers it depends on where you start the playing. WMV-HD 720p Ok. 1080p gives a distorted and greenish image. DVD Impossible to play .ifo files from disk o DVD from drive. It gives DVD: Macromedia Fail. I can't understand what Macromedia has to do with the renderer, but wait some guru to explain me. No problems with single .vob or .mpg files. Quality is approx. on the same level as EVR plus YV12 -> RGB conversion by ffdshow. Tried also avi, divx, xvid and everything I have with no problems. |
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As for CRTs, there may be some issues but note that normal people don't use cheap CRTs nowadays, so hopefully high-end monitors may display colours a bit better in 10bit mode. Never tried myself so cannot guarantee anything, however I do opt for high-end grafix with deepcolour and HDMI/DisplayPort as for the next upgrade. Nvidia RAMDAC in 9xxx series is 10bit I think. |
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direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
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