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It seems there better places to compare codecs but at least what do you need it for in VD2?
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If any codec compresses "a lot better than" a lossless codec, then it is probably lossy. All lossless codecs will have a similar strength, and compared to uncompressed video with the same color space and depth, the ratio is hardly better than 1:5 in optimal cases, rather around 1:2.5 to 1:3.
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humble suggestions:
If you don't need lossless for some sensitive restoration, you can use near-lossless (cineform) Also if you have enough cpu power, maybe you can get even better storage-quality ratio using x264-10bit (enable zerolatency)
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What are you planning to do with your captures btw? IMHO, far more important is the compatibility of the capture format with the video systems you use, or are intending to use for subsequent processing. Does the import interface preserve high-bit depth transfer, assuming said system does support high bit depth processing? How does the system handle luminance ranges on import with that particular format - very important to determine the behavior, especially if the system does not have native (SDK implementation) Cineform support ? Process performance in/through said system ? And can you export in the same format, if that is desirable - in which case similar considerations apply with respect to bit-depth transfer and luminance handling at export? My two cents.
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thank you guys!!!
I don't think I see a difference in quality between the 2 codecs. Maybe when I zoom in, I can see that magicyuv is slightly better. So Cineform compression should be enough for me. MagicYUV(766mbps) Vs Cineform(332mbps) http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=116034 MagicYUV(766mbps) Vs Cineform(183mbps) http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=116035 once encoded to hevc 25mbps: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=116040 Last edited by imhh11; 29th September 2018 at 19:08. |
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after comparing with the source (untouched), the colors match magicyuv and cineform is slightly different. I wonder why, both are 422 10bit v210 capture of the same file. film scan 1 & 3 but I'm not sure, I did the comparison a couple months ago and wanted the opinion of the doom9 experts :P Last edited by imhh11; 30th September 2018 at 01:08. |
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Also, sorry if its a stupid question but could it be possible to add NVenc to Vdub ? my cpu can handle x264 encoding while capturing but at very fast or worse preset only and im mostly interested in HEVC for HDR.
of course my cpu cannot handle x265 in vdub but encoding h265 with nvidia should be fast enough ? or is it already possible and i dont know about it ? Last edited by imhh11; 30th September 2018 at 02:57. |
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You can use the "External Encoders" (see VirtualDub help) feature of VirtualDub (both vanilla as well as VirtualDub2) to use NVEnc while doing "normal" encodes. For capturing I think there is no solution for VirtualDub, currently.
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NVenc: there is no way for capture now, and not coming soon.
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Filmscan 3 is way overkill. It's a 'special' mode that is not available with the (GoPro) Cineform VFW codec and, to my knowledge, in other native implementations of the Cineform SDK: https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php...4&postcount=45
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yes HDR capture colors are triggered at x265 encoding. I captured a UHD-BD just to make sure I get proper colors/hdr etc.. now that I know that magicyuv works (at least when I compare 2 frames tone mapped with madvr), i can now capture my games in high-quality 4K HDR properly. Too bad cineform slightly change the colors, it would have saved tons of space(only have 1tb of capture space). thanks for the filmscan 3 explanation, I didn't know that. *sorry for my english Last edited by imhh11; 30th September 2018 at 18:07. |
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I doubt it is cineform that is guilty in this case. What software was used to do the encode to x265? Because you said it is encoded with DCI-P3 I assume there was (different) color conversion. How it is possible:
1) magicyuv+avi has no metadata at all -> everything default. 2) cineform+avi has some metadata -> replaces defaults (not same). Just guessing.
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ok, I did another comparison because the other one was 3 months old so maybe I did something wrong. This time, I don't see a difference in the colors, can you?
MagicYUV RAW VS Cineform RAW filmscan 2 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121674 once encoded with exactly the same setting/ software: x265 Staxrip the GUI (source is dci-p3, encode is dci-p3) : MagicYUV VS Cineform http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121673 MagicYUV VS Source http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121672 Cineform Vs Source http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121671 x265 2.8+19-bcdc610cf5f0:[Windows][MSVC 1914][64 bit] 10bit / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=723 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=24 / keyint=240 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / radl=0 / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / no-strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=3:3 / no-sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=22000 / qcomp=0.70 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=160000 / vbv-bufsize=160000 / vbv-init=0.9 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=1 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=2 / chromaloc-bottom=2 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,1) / max-cll=0,0 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr / hdr-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=5 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-mv-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei here's the files: https://uptobox.com/vs384dq3ssci Format : CineForm Codec ID : CFHD Codec ID/Info : CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (Wavelet) Duration : 30 s 989 ms Bit rate : 426 Mb/s Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.144 Stream size : 1.54 GiB (100%) Format : M0Y2 Codec ID : M0Y2 Duration : 31 s 490 ms Bit rate : 870 Mb/s Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 4.373 Stream size : 3.19 GiB (100%) |
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