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Old 14th December 2012, 05:44   #16261  |  Link
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I know...somewhat "time consuming"....especially that "time" is a concept and changes depending where you are and how you feel "outside" of Now. ;-) If you want to join the parts without rerendering I suggest practice with MKVmerge (GUI) which is a great program to donate to just as BD-RB.
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Thanks for your response, I know about MKVMerge but:

I just backed up the disk and realised that the 5.1 audio was set to default (I want the stereo track as default). You can only set default tracks in MOVIE-ONLY mode which I forgot to do, so I want BD-Rebuilder to rearrange the Audio Tracks without having to re-encode the movie again (I have a old machine, it takes about 6-8 hours for Highest Quality backup).

BD_RB is an "all-in-one" application and everything that I have read so far leads me to believe that it should do what I want (unless, as i said, there is a valid reason why its not allowing this to happen).There should not be any reason to start messing with other tools

P.S. I just remuxed with tsmuxer to put the stereo track first, as a workaround; but I thought I should report a potential bug...

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Old 14th December 2012, 07:59   #16263  |  Link
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OMG... Not everyone is a criminal, get your mind out of the gutter!
I think you misunderstood. They were suggesting that your source material was "Preprocessed". Meaning it has already been processed/encoded by another program. That doesn't necessarily suggest they were accusing you of pirating material. If I were to attempt a backup of a backup, and encounter an error, it has already been said that such posts are unacceptable. Preprocessed sources are not supported in this "Bug Reports Only" thread.

Obviously most of our rips are preprocessed/decrypted. Should a bug be incurred due to Anydvd HD, I'm sure the boys over at slysoft would be hot on it's heels I seem to recall one or more of the developers in this very thread.
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Old 14th December 2012, 14:32   #16264  |  Link
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I think you misunderstood.
I don't think I did given the second line of their post, but if I did I apologise.

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If I were to attempt a backup of a backup, and encounter an error, it has already been said that such posts are unacceptable. Preprocessed sources are not supported in this "Bug Reports Only" thread.
I did not know that and thanks for the heads up. However, I should have been more specific about the nature of the problem. So here goes:

I did a DVD (movie only) backup with DB-RB keeping both the 5.1 and Stereo Audio Tracks. After the encode was done I realised that the 5.1 audio was set as the default; but I wanted the Stereo track as the default. I have an old machine (it takes about 6-8 hours for Highest Quality backup) and did not want to re-encode the whole movie again just to set the Stereo Track as default. So I tried to do “another backup” of the re-encoded source with the FORCE-NOENCODE option set and also setting the Stereo Track as the default; this was done just so that BD-RB would re-arrange the audio only without re-encoding the video again. It was during this process that I came across the “bug” where BD-RB ignored the “FORCE-NOENCODE=1” hidden option when in MOVIE-ONLY mode.

Given what I was trying to do, I don’t really think that this counts as backup of a backup even though it is a "Preprocessed" source; but I defer to the greater knowledge and apologise for not explaining all the details up front.

Here are the details again using the DVD source :

BD.INI:
[Options]
VERSION=0.42.0.4
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
AUTO_BIAS=3
DEINTERLACER_TYPE=1
MAXIMIZE_REFS=1
EXTENDED_GOP=1
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
AUTO_BURN=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=1
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\VID_TEMP\BDRB\
SOURCE_PATH=C:\VID_TEMP\BDRB\IMPORTS\DEFIANCE_(2008)


Movie-Only Log:
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[15:07:45] Importing DVD: DEFIANCE_(2008)
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Creating BD from audio/video/subtitles...
[15:32:37] DVD import completed successfully.
----------------------
[12/14/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[15:33:18] Source: DEFIANCE_(2008)_00000
- Input BD size: 6.54 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:11:20.000]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[15:33:18] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [15:33:18] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [15:33:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [15:42:10] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x576
- Rate/Length: 25.000fps, 197*000 frames
- Bitrate: 3*709 Kbs
- [15:42:10] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
[15:42:38]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

Full-Backup Log:
----------------------
[12/14/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[15:43:08] Source: DEFIANCE_(2008)
- Input BD size: 6.54 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:11:20.000]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[15:43:10] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [15:43:10] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [15:43:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [15:48:46] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [15:48:46] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [15:48:46] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (und): Keeping original audio
- [15:48:46] Multiplexing M2TS
[15:54:22]PHASE ONE complete
[15:54:22]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [15:54:22] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[15:54:22] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[15:54:22] JOB: DEFIANCE_(2008) finished.


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Obviously most of our rips are preprocessed/decrypted. Should a bug be incurred due to Anydvd HD, I'm sure the boys over at slysoft would be hot on it's heels I seem to recall one or more of the developers in this very thread.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say here given that the “bug report” was about BD-RB skipping over the FORCE-NOENCODE hidden option.
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Old 14th December 2012, 14:59   #16265  |  Link
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Hi,
I have a new problem with Alien :-/

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[12/13/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[13:27:46] Source: ALIEN_WW_00800
- Input BD size: 30,30 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:56:37.615]
- Target BD size: 22,95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
- Audio [5] set to default.
[13:27:46] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [13:27:46] Processing: VID_00983 (1 of 31)
- [13:27:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00983]
- [13:32:48] Reencoding video [VID_00983]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 11*187 frames
- Bitrate: 26*771 Kbs
- [13:32:48] Reencoding: VID_00983, Pass 1 of 2
- [13:37:32] Reencoding: VID_00983, Pass 2 of 2
- [13:53:08] Video Encode complete
- [13:53:08] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4356 (fra): Keeping original audio
- [13:53:08] Processing: VID_00985 (2 of 31)
- [13:53:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00985]
- [13:53:13] Reencoding video [VID_00985]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 981 frames
- Bitrate: 23*879 Kbs
- [13:53:13] Reencoding: VID_00985, Pass 1 of 2
- [13:53:40] Reencoding: VID_00985, Pass 2 of 2
- [13:54:56] Video Encode complete
- [13:54:56] Processing: VID_00984 (3 of 31)
- [13:54:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00984]
- [13:55:03] Reencoding video [VID_00984]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 1*772 frames
- Bitrate: 24*409 Kbs
- [13:55:03] Reencoding: VID_00984, Pass 1 of 2
- [13:55:48] Reencoding: VID_00984, Pass 2 of 2
- [13:57:57] Video Encode complete
- [13:57:57] Processing: VID_00986 (4 of 31)
- [13:57:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00986]
- [13:58:02] Reencoding video [VID_00986]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 758 frames
- Bitrate: 23*122 Kbs
- [13:58:02] Reencoding: VID_00986, Pass 1 of 2
- [13:58:21] Reencoding: VID_00986, Pass 2 of 2
- [13:59:13] Video Encode complete
- [13:59:13] Processing: VID_00987 (5 of 31)
- [13:59:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00987]
- [13:59:22] Reencoding video [VID_00987]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 3*513 frames
- Bitrate: 26*025 Kbs
- [13:59:22] Reencoding: VID_00987, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:00:59] Reencoding: VID_00987, Pass 2 of 2
- [14:06:04] Video Encode complete
- [14:06:04] Processing: VID_00990 (6 of 31)
- [14:06:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00990]
- [14:06:14] Reencoding video [VID_00990]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 3*332 frames
- Bitrate: 25*280 Kbs
- [14:06:14] Reencoding: VID_00990, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:07:33] Reencoding: VID_00990, Pass 2 of 2
- [14:11:57] Video Encode complete
- [14:11:57] Processing: VID_00988 (7 of 31)
- [14:11:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00988]
- [14:12:21] Reencoding video [VID_00988]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 11*198 frames
- Bitrate: 25*853 Kbs
- [14:12:21] Reencoding: VID_00988, Pass 1 of 2
- [14:17:03] Reencoding: VID_00988, Pass 2 of 2
- Encode failed. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: 1.11.96.14, Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3882, Ok
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Wrong version found
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
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Old 14th December 2012, 18:14   #16266  |  Link
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I did a DVD (movie only) backup with DB-RB keeping both the 5.1 and Stereo Audio Tracks. After the encode was done I realised that the 5.1 audio was set as the default; but I wanted the Stereo track as the default. I have an old machine (it takes about 6-8 hours for Highest Quality backup) and did not want to re-encode the whole movie again just to set the Stereo Track as default. So I tried to do “another backup” of the re-encoded source
Notice the bold part? That would qualify as preprocessed. You ran the disc through BDRB, then you ran the output through BDRB again
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Old 14th December 2012, 20:04   #16267  |  Link
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Strange behavior

From the same BR ISO, i made a movie only BR ISO. Once with BD25 target, another with a custom target of 50Gb.

The BD25 target iso is ~23Gb, with reencoding,
The Custom 50Gb target gives me a 18Gb ISO without reencoding (the same as with FORCE_NOENCODE=1)



LOGs and INF in attachement
Attached Files
File Type: txt BD-REBUILDER_Target_BD25.LOG.txt (21.3 KB, 8 views)
File Type: txt TOTAL_RECALL_2012_Target_BD25.INF.txt (7.6 KB, 5 views)
File Type: txt BD-REBUILDER_Target_50Go.LOG.txt (12.7 KB, 5 views)
File Type: txt TOTAL_RECALL_2012_Target_50Go.INF.txt (7.2 KB, 2 views)
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Old 14th December 2012, 22:28   #16268  |  Link
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I have launch again my Alien backup and all seems to work, without any action of me :??:
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Old 14th December 2012, 22:40   #16269  |  Link
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Thank you
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Source of your file= what did you use to preprocess the file. Res and size don't appear to be standard BD.
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I reread your reply. Try using the original. While your dvd backup my play fine a backup of a backup along with the changing formats and resolutions may induce glitches that slip through and don't allow you to get the desired results.

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From your settings, and I may be wrong, but it looks like you did a BD>DVD backup. The you tried to do DVD>BD-AVCHD backup. Please note that your dvd backup is MPEG2. Your re-backup does not mention alternate mode. It appears to be trying to do a DVD>AVCHD backup, otherwise stated as MPEG2>MPEG4. Encoding is necessary. Full disk AVCHD is not spec and that may be why it is not re-encoding. Try IMPORT>ALTERNATE MODE>DVD5. See, tell what preprocessed the disc and I (we) can try to help.
Also is there DTS sound on your disc.
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The reason the movie is encoding for movie-only (even with FORCE_NOENCODE set) is because the original is MPEG-2 and you're outputting to an AVCHD format. That's the default when outputting to a DVD+-R (for greater compatibility). MPEG-2 isn't legal for AVCHD, it only accepts AVC, so it has to be converted. MPEG-2 is, however, legal for standard Blu-Ray (which is what you have to use for a full backup).
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@gonca

I appreciate any help I am given (so thank you for trying to help) and I apologise if I did misinterpret your first post. However I am really stumped as to how you are getting to your assumptions.

There was no BD disk involved at all. The original source was always a DVD Disk. I can’t imagine why anyone would do BD --> DVD --> BD. I am trying to do DVD --> BD to fit DL DVD onto BD-5. For me x264 is a better way to backup DVD disks than using available MPEG-2 encoders.

But let’s forget all previous posts, as I’ve used 2 brand new sources…

Peace.

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The reason the movie is encoding for movie-only (even with FORCE_NOENCODE set) is because the original is MPEG-2 and you're probably outputting to an AVCHD format. That's the default when outputtin to a DVD+-R (for greater compatibility). MPEG-2 isn't legal for AVCHD, it only accepts AVC, so it has to be converted. MPEG-2 is, however, legal for standard Blu-Ray (which is what you have to use for a full backup).
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Thanks for replying but I don’t think that is what is causing this problem. I have also tried by Un-Checking the “Strict AVCHD for BD-5/9 Movie-Only” with the same result (or am I missing something else on letting BD-RB create a Blu-Ray structure in Movie-Only mode?).

However I think I may have found what is causing this issue:

It seems that BD-RB is forcing conversion if it detects that the target size is either BD-5 or BD-9 in “Movie-Only” mode. If Target Size is BD-25 the re-encode is skipped.

From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:
FORCE_NOENCODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1, BD-RB will always use original video (sizing will not be checked)

Because I thought “sizing will not be checked” I did not think Target Size would have any influence. This is confirmed as BD-RB always skips the re-encode if “Full-Backup” mode is selected irrespective of Target Size.

I’ve recreated this issue using two new sources: A Blu-Ray disk and a different DVD disk.


Original Source --> Blu-Ray Disk (Sanctum) (Format = AVC)

Options]
VERSION=0.42.0.4
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
MODE=2
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=1
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
TARGET_SIZE=4469
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\VID_TEMP\BDRB\
SOURCE_PATH=G:\

Movie-Only (target size BD-5):
----------------------
[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[11:27:55] Source: SANCTUM_00000
- Input BD size: 12.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:48:47.000]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:27:55] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:27:55] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [11:27:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [11:32:17] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 24.000fps, 156*648 frames
- Bitrate: 3*697 Kbs
- [11:32:17] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
[11:32:58]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

Movie-Only (target size BD-9; everything else exactly the same):
----------------------
[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[11:33:11] Source: SANCTUM_00000
- Input BD size: 12.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:48:47.000]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:33:13] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:33:13] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [11:33:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [11:37:35] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 24.000fps, 156*648 frames
- Bitrate: 7*955 Kbs
- [11:37:35] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
[11:37:41]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

Movie-Only (target size BD-25; everything else exactly the same):
----------------------
[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[11:54:17] Source: SANCTUM_00000
- Input BD size: 12.26 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:48:47.000]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[11:54:19] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [11:54:19] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [11:54:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [11:58:40] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [11:58:40] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [11:58:40] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
[11:58:40]PHASE ONE complete
[11:58:40]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [11:58:40] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[12:01:03] - Aborted per user request


Original Source --> DVD Disk (Blitz) (Format = mpeg-2)
----------------------
[12:06:55] Importing DVD: BLITZ
- Collecting audio/video/subtitle streams...
- Converting subtitles to BD format...
- Creating BD from audio/video/subtitles...
[12:14:47] DVD import completed successfully.

[Options]
VERSION=0.42.0.4
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
MODE=2
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
USE_LAVF=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
DGDECNV=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=1
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=1
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
TARGET_SIZE=4469
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\VID_TEMP\BDRB\
SOURCE_PATH=C:\VID_TEMP\BDRB\IMPORTS\BLITZ\

Movie-Only (target size BD-5):
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[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[12:15:21] Source: BLITZ_00000
- Input BD size: 4.53 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:33:29.344]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[12:15:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:15:22] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [12:15:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [12:19:33] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x576
- Rate/Length: 25.000fps, 140*234 frames
- Bitrate: 5*482 Kbs
- [12:19:33] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
[12:19:38]PHASE ONE aborted by user request


Movie-Only (target size BD-9; everything else exactly the same):
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[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[12:20:18] Source: BLITZ_00000
- Input BD size: 4.53 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:33:29.344]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[12:20:20] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:20:20] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [12:20:20] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [12:24:25] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x576
- Rate/Length: 25.000fps, 140*234 frames
- Bitrate: 10*435 Kbs
- [12:24:25] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
[12:24:34]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

Movie-Only (target size BD-25; everything else exactly the same):
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[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[12:25:16] Source: BLITZ_00000
- Input BD size: 4.53 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:33:29.344]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[12:25:18] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:25:18] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [12:25:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [12:29:30] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [12:29:30] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [12:29:30] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (und): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (und): Keeping original audio
[12:29:30]PHASE ONE complete
[12:29:30]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [12:29:30] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[12:30:08] - Aborted per user request

There is definitely inconsistent behaviour when using Movie-Only mode and the FORCE_NOENCODE option is set.
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Old 15th December 2012, 12:03   #16273  |  Link
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BD-5 and BD-9 tests for sanctum show that source is larger than target, therefore encoding is necessary to make it fit.
Blitz test shows input is MPEG 2. AVCHD (BD 5/9) must be MPEG 4, therefore it must re-encode.
As far as full movie testing please reread jdobbs post about the specs.

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Old 15th December 2012, 13:15   #16274  |  Link
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BD-5 and BD-9 tests for sanctum show that source is larger than target, therefore encoding is necessary to make it fit.
You seem to be missing the point.

From HIDDENOPTS.TXT:
FORCE_NOENCODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1, BD-RB will always use original video (sizing will not be checked)

So how do you explain when in Full-Backup mode it skips the re-encode irrespective of Target Size.

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[12/15/12] BD Rebuilder v0.42.04 (beta)
[14:55:55] Source: SANCTUM
- Input BD size: 12.53 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:49:37.041]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[14:55:55] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [14:55:55] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 2)
- [14:55:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [15:00:21] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- [15:00:21] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [15:00:21] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [15:00:21] Multiplexing M2TS
[15:00:26]PHASE ONE aborted by user request

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Blitz test shows input is MPEG 2. AVCHD (BD 5/9) must be MPEG 4, therefore it must re-encode.
As far as full movie testing please reread jdobbs post about the specs.
To quote myself:

"AVCHD=0"

"I have also tried by Un-Checking the “Strict AVCHD for BD-5/9 Movie-Only” with the same result (or am I missing something else on letting BD-RB create a Blu-Ray structure in Movie-Only mode?)."

end-quote.

So no matter what I do, Movie-Only mode will always output a strict AVCHD structure, Is that what you are saying?

Jdobbs said it was the default for Movie-Only mode- default implies there is an alternative - which I assumed could be changed by un-checking the “Strict AVCHD for BD-5/9 Movie-Only” option.

What else must I do to force Movie-Only mode not to output strict AVCHD but to give me a Blu-Ray as with Full-Backup mode?

What am I missing???


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Some do BD>DVD so they can have portable copies for car players,etc.
I said BD --> DVD --> BD.
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Sigh... Sounds like you know more than me... so I guess you'll figure it out.

I recommend you go back through this thread and find the answer -- because I'm not going to do it for you.
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Old 15th December 2012, 15:49   #16276  |  Link
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Sigh... Sounds like you know more than me... so I guess you'll figure it out.
You know, that is really unnecessary.

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I recommend you go back through this thread and find the answer -- because I'm not going to do it for you.
I have really and truly tried getting as much info as possible before posting. 16000 odd posts. But if you don’t want to help…
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I'm not an expert by far on this but let me try to explain, if I'm wrong someone please correct me.
BD 5/9 or AVCHD mode has specs which are different from the BD spec.
The video must be Mpeg 4 part 10 (AVC). The audio must be AC3. The strict switch affects allowing DTS and some other factors but it cannot override the video codec part. It also requires that it be movie only, no extras or menus.
Full movie to BD 5/9 is under the BD spec which is different.

Two questions
1 - from one of your tests you are telling BD_RB to fit 12 GB of data onto a 4.3GB disc. How can this be accomplished without re-encoding.
2 - why don't you use the original source and avoid issues in video quality from processing a preprocessed source.
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Jdobbs, i think i found a small bug between movie only backup & IMGBurn.

I just produced a movie only DVD9 backup of Abraham lincoln vampire hunter. The backup went through without a hitch. However upon finishing the backup the folder ABRAHAM_LINCOLN_3D_DVD was not turned into a DVD iso file in my C:\ Temp directory even though i have BDRB configured to create iso's.

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[Options]
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=2
AUTO_QUALITY=1
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=dut;eng;nld;und;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=dut;eng;nld;und;
SD_CONVERT=0
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DEINTERLACE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
FULL_AVCHD=0
REMOVE_OUTPUT=1
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
TARGET_SIZE=23500
AUTO_BURN=2
IMGBURN_TARGET_DEVICE=e:
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
MINIMIZE_TO_TRAY=1
OPEN_GOP=0
MOVIE_ONLY_LOOP=1
USE_FILTERS=0
USE_LAVF=1
VERBOSE_STATUS=1
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=1
IVTC_PULLDOWN=1
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
SD_TO_1080=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
AUTO_BLANK=0
UNMASK_CHAPTER=1
ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
BLANK_THRESHOLD=60
DTSX_ENABLE=1
MULTIPROCESS=0
VERSION=0.42.0.4
COMPLETION_BEEP=1
BEEP_SOUNDFILE=C:\Program Files (x86)\ImgBurn\Sounds\Success.wav
DGDECNV=0
IMPORT_FOLDER=D:\TEMP
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=2
ALTCRF=20
ALT_TARGET=1024
ALTMETHOD=0
ALTAUTOCROP=0
[Paths]
WORKING_PATH=C:\TEMP\
SOURCE_PATH=H:\
DGIndexNV=C:\Program Files (x86)\BD_Rebuilder\Tools\dgdecnv\DGIndexNV.exe
DGDecNV=C:\Program Files (x86)\BD_Rebuilder\Tools\dgdecnv\DGDecodeNV.dll
Not a major issue since the dvd folder can be burnt like it is but an issue none-the-less
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I'm not an expert by far on this but let me try to explain, if I'm wrong someone please correct me.
BD 5/9 or AVCHD mode has specs which are different from the BD spec.
The video must be Mpeg 4 part 10 (AVC). The audio must be AC3. The strict switch affects allowing DTS and some other factors but it cannot override the video codec part. It also requires that it be movie only, no extras or menus.
Full movie to BD 5/9 is under the BD spec which is different.
I get it. But don't forget that this is an "issue" I have come across when using FORCE_NOENCODE option. Please try to forget anything I have said about what I'm trying to do, but look at this as possible inconsistencies when using that option.

I know that Movie-Only Mode outputs AVCHD by default. But, from what info I've been able to read I have been lead to believe that it is not the only option for Movie-Only mode.
For example:
The changelog for v0.30.01 says:

- AVCHD output restrictions have been removed for all
BD-25 output. BD-25 movie-only now uses the TSMUXER
"--blu-ray" option.


This was proved by the logs I posted earlier where the video was not re-encoded with the FORCE_NOENCODE option set on BD-25 targets.
and:

- Strict AVCHD compliance is now the default for BD-5
or BD-9 movie-only encodes. The "FORCE_BLURAY" hidden
option has been removed. The equivalent of that
setting can be created by deselecting "Strict AVCHD
BD-5/9 Movie-Only"
.


This leads me to believe that Movie-Only Mode can create Blu-ray output.

also what jdobbs said:

" The reason the movie is encoding for movie-only (even with FORCE_NOENCODE set) is because the original is MPEG-2 and you're probably outputting to an AVCHD format. That's the default when outputtin to a DVD+-R (for greater compatibility). MPEG-2 isn't legal for AVCHD, it only accepts AVC, so it has to be converted. MPEG-2 is, however, legal for standard Blu-Ray (which is what you have to use for a full backup). "

there is no definitive "Movie-Only mode will only create AVCHD formats for BD-5/9" in what he said. There are implied alternative output formats and combined with the above change-log I came to the conclusion that Blu-Ray output is possible with Movie-Only mode. But my conclusion may be wrong - which is exactly what I'm trying to determine.

So if I can output to Blu-Ray format with Movie-Only mode and I have the FORCE_NOENCODE option set, why then is the video being re-encoded for BD-5 / BD-9 Targets (because Blu-Ray accepts both MPEG-4 and MPEG-2).

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Two questions
1 - from one of your tests you are telling BD_RB to fit 12 GB of data onto a 4.3GB disc. How can this be accomplished without re-encoding.
But that is what the FORCE_NOENCODE option allows - it does not check size and uses the original video as is.

The test which I did here serves no purpose other than to try show up inconsistencies when using the FORCE_NOENCODE option.

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2 - why don't you use the original source and avoid issues in video quality from processing a preprocessed source.
I don't get where this is coming from. The details of post #16274 are from original BD and DVD sources. (My first post contained details from preprocessed source - but the mistake was pointed out - and everything else is has been original sources).

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One more time with the previous disclaimers about my knowledge.
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no size check if the source fits the target.
movie only BD 5/9 is AVCHD not BD. Different specs.
12 GB on a 4.3 GB target is impossible. If allowed Jdobbs would be inundated with bug reports on why it doesn't fit.
In regards to question 2 - working from the original source should produce better final results.
As far as the switches, there are no absolutes as this could cause conflicts within the program. Case in point -- 12 GB onto a 4.3 GB destination, no re-encode and we could possibly throw in a codec which is not allowed.
Remember that the author could allow anything he wants but odds are that playback would consistently fail in standalone players, to be followed by the complaints.
Somewhere along the way it was stated that BD_RD was to produce strictly BD compliant output. Everything else that it now does on top of that is a bonus, for which I am grateful.
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