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Old 2nd August 2017, 02:57   #26341  |  Link
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The HD blu-ray standard doesn't support 10 bit. A quote from an example article (there are lots you can find with a search): That changes with UHD blu-ray (which isn't currently supported by BD-RB or its supporting software).
I think i may have said it wrong

I know that 10 bit isn't supported for bluray.

What I am trying to do is convert a 10-bit mkv (or .ts) to an 8- bit bluray.

BDRB recognizes the file as AVC encoded. The file is 9.22 GB, Hi10P Level 5.0

When setting BDRB to fit a BD25, the program chooses to keep the original video (even though it isn't BD-Compliant).
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I think i may have said it wrong

I know that 10 bit isn't supported for bluray.

What I am trying to do is convert a 10-bit mkv (or .ts) to an 8- bit bluray.

BDRB recognizes the file as AVC encoded. The file is 9.22 GB, Hi10P Level 5.0

When setting BDRB to fit a BD25, the program chooses to keep the original video (even though it isn't BD-Compliant).
Will this option help? (From the Hiddenopts file)

FORCE_ENCODE=n n = 0/1 - if set to 1, BD-RB will never check to see if original video will fit
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Old 5th August 2017, 23:01   #26343  |  Link
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import 720p 25fps

Hi

I have found a problem with import function (to make blu-ray autoring)
if I import mkv (but i also try many file with .m2ts .ts) with resolution of 1280x720p with 25fps, BDrebuilder trasnform this to 23,976

I have try to use files at 1920x1080p 25fps and it work properly

this is a big problem because lose audio sync

please, can you help me?
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Old 6th August 2017, 02:43   #26344  |  Link
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I have found a problem with import function (to make blu-ray autoring)
if I import mkv (but i also try many file with .m2ts .ts) with resolution of 1280x720p with 25fps, BDrebuilder trasnform this to 23,976
720p @ 25fps is not a supported BD format. 720p @ 50fps is.
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I have try to use files at 1920x1080p 25fps and it work properly
It shouldn't have, as 1080p @ 25fps is not supported. 1080i @ 25fps is.
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Old 6th August 2017, 03:43   #26345  |  Link
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720p @ 25fps is not a supported BD format. 720p @ 50fps is.

It shouldn't have, as 1080p @ 25fps is not supported. 1080i @ 25fps is.
BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech). But... it also adjusts the audio.

I'm away from my office right now for a week, but I'll do some tests to see if I can repeat the issue when I return.
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BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech)

Don't worry boss... I'm ready if Mr. Video tries anything...
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Old 6th August 2017, 09:12   #26347  |  Link
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BD-RB has an option to automatically convert PAL frame rates to NTSC frame rates (please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech). But... it also adjusts the audio.
i have found the hiddenoptions "IMPORT_PAL_TO_FILM" but not make change on audio. the sync is always present!

There is another simple way to make the sync? I have also the subtitles on my mkv!

@MrVideo
What you say is correct:
on the blu-ray associations are not present 1280x720 25p but also not present 1980x1080 25p.
but i have many blu-ray working properly with 1920x1080 25p.

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Old 6th August 2017, 10:25   #26348  |  Link
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Hi

I have try to make blu-ray using tsremux (using blu-ray filder option) and this create blu-ray 720p 25fps that work properly. (I have burned this to bd-re and play correct on blu-ray player and ps3)

after this I have used bdrebuilder to import BD(s) function and the result is perfect 720 25p blu-ray working

now the "problem" is
i need to make blu-ray whith many episode and many season and this is very complicate to make this process.

there is a possibility of "fix" bd rebuilder, with Calm of course?
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Hi

I have try to make blu-ray using tsremux (using blu-ray filder option) and this create blu-ray 720p 25fps that work properly. (I have burned this to bd-re and play correct on blu-ray player and ps3)

after this I have used bdrebuilder to import BD(s) function and the result is perfect 720 25p blu-ray working

now the "problem" is
i need to make blu-ray whith many episode and many season and this is very complicate to make this process.

there is a possibility of "fix" bd rebuilder, with Calm of course?
thanks again
Are you attempting to play the pseudo-BD, or did you run a job against it after the import? The audio hasn't been adjusted yet in the pseudo-BD folder.
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Are you attempting to play the pseudo-BD, or did you run a job against it after the import? The audio hasn't been adjusted yet in the pseudo-BD folder.
I did not understand the question (i dont know pseudo-bd)

I use bdrebuider file-> import function for make "authoring" blu-ray (i need to create blu ray for season series)

i dont know why bdrebuilder import have different behavior
1) file-> import-> mkv,m2ts,etc 1280x720 25p -> audio sync loss (because bdrb change fps to 23.976)
2) if I put mkv into tsremux and make "bluray folder" and after i use bdre -> file-> import-> BD(s) -> work properly (without change fps)

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please forego the "they don't exist in the digital world" speech
I don't have to, you just did. You can lead a horse to water....

BTW, 23.976 fps was never an analog NTSC frame rate.

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Don't worry boss... I'm ready if Mr. Video tries anything...
Oh boy... I'm just shaking in my boots!!!!
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iWhat you say is correct:
on the blu-ray associations are not present 1280x720 25p but also not present 1980x1080 25p.
but i have many blu-ray working properly with 1920x1080 25p.
Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.
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i dont know why bdrebuilder import have different behavior
1) file-> import-> mkv,m2ts,etc 1280x720 25p -> audio sync loss (because bdrb change fps to 23.976)
2) if I put mkv into tsremux and make "bluray folder" and after i use bdre -> file-> import-> BD(s) -> work properly (without change fps)
As mentioned a few times, BDRB produces Blu-ray compliant discs. tsReMuxer doesn't try to produce compliant output.

After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.

Only import enough files to fill a 25GB disc (or a 50GB disc).
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After you import the MKV files and configure the menu, DO NOT click on the Backup button. Just go into the working area and burn the BDMV/CERTIFICATE directories onto a disc. Running the Backup process is where the 25 fps -> 23.976 fps is done.
sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript are only with menu creator.

and i can add that the backup (for compression) is not a problem.

i tried to make 5 episode as descript (creating bd from mkv 1280x720 25p with tsremux and after import on bd-rb as multiple BD(s) )
this produce prefect menu with 5 episode and all 5 episode are 1280x720 25p. i have burned and perfect reproduct on blu-ray player, but i also test with bdedit and all 5 file are marked as 1280x720 25p.

after this i have tryed to compress the result with bd-rb and any file are processed, correctly, as 1280x720 25p.

i repeat, the only "problem" on bd-rb is the import function whith file 1280x720 25p from container mkv, ts,m2ts,etc...

thanks
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BTW, 23.976 fps was never an analog NTSC frame rate.
Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.
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Yes, the spec is one thing and the actual Blu-ray playing device is another. Most of today's players will play non-compliant discs. jdobbs tries to only produce Blu-ray compliant discs.
Exactly. What good are standards if they aren't followed? What if someone decided that a foot is only 10 inches when building his house because it makes the calculations easier.
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Always a waste of breath... 23.976 is the ACTUAL frame rate for most NTSC film sources on DVD and BD. 29.97 is the rate after pulldown is applied.
It is the frame rate that is actually output from the analog DVD player that is NTSC. The 23.976 frame rate is not NTSC (look at the spec). 23.976 fps is now available as a native frame rate on Blu-ray releases, but that that doesn't make it "NTSC." Never has, and never will.

23.976 is available in regions B and C. Does that make it "PAL?"
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What good are standards if they aren't followed?
Interesting that you say that. NTSC/PAL are old analog specs that so many are trying to apply to the digital world.

Interesting note for both NTSC and PAL is that both are COLOR specs, added to the existing B&W broadcast standards. NTSC does modify the existing 30 fps B&W spec, to get 29.97 color to work (even though color would have worked @ 30 fps and we wouldn't have this 29.97/23.976 mess) and PAL added color to the existing B&W 25 fps. In other words, the broadcast specs for 30 fps and 25 fps came about long before NTSC or PAL. And none of the broadcast specs include 23.976/24 fps as broadcast frame rates. They include specs on how to handle said frame rates for broadcast (not part of NTSC or PAL).
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sorry but is not as you say
all my test descript[ions] are only with menu creator.
It would have been nice if what you said in this posting would have been originally posted. It adds more detail that can help jdobbs look at the issue.

That said, I suspect that jdobbs will "fix" it so that 720p @ 25fps and 1080p @ 25fps are not available in the final output because both are not part of the Blu-ray spec. But, maybe the conversion to 23.976 could be done in the "Backup" portion of the process, leaving the original files alone during the processes before that point.

And/or, during the "Backup" portion of the process, the 720p could be converted to 50 fps (frame rate doubling) and the 1080p converted to 1080i @ 25fps. I suspect that AVISynth has filters to be able to do both. That will allow the time spectral info not to be lost.

Just a thought.

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