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Old 28th March 2018, 20:39   #49921  |  Link
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Change the order from low to high instead of high to low:
2160p29, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60

Ok will do, once i get to home.

Just to make it clear in my head, so my refresh rate should change automatically to a movie fps? or what determine which refresh rate should be at the time? cause im kinda lost here... At what shall i look at madvr osd info to see if it's correct or no ?

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Old 28th March 2018, 20:54   #49922  |  Link
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Hello.
1 HTPC using madVR / Lav filters and possibility to run movies either with mpc-be or potplayer (with exactly the same settings)

With Potplayer, Clock deviation is always at 0.00000% (after few seconds) ==> Great !
With MPC-BE , clock deviation is always not null et does not converge to 0.00000%

This make the consistency between the counter "1 frame drop/repeat every" and the "display" information wrong with MPC-BE.

1. Have you some information on the root cause ?
2. In case of display frequency optimization with an HTPC using MPC-BE, what is the counter that i need to follow ? (The value of drop/repeat per time or the value of the display)
i think , base on the comparative test i have done that it is the "display value" but need confirmation because in this case, even in case of perfect settings of display resolution frequency at 23.97602, the value in Drop/repeat is far away from "no drop/repeat frames expected")

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Old 28th March 2018, 21:13   #49923  |  Link
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You don't need to worry about HDR calibration settings at all because you are using HDR passthrough. That discussion only related to the complex topic of HDR -> SDR conversions, which can use specialized hardware and software to create multiple calibrations for a projector. So ditch the madVR profile.

For SDR calibration, if your TV doesn't have a gamut setting, it can be assumed it is BT.709, as this is the correct calibration for SDR content. I could be wrong, but that is most likely. Check your display on Ratings.com for more detailed discussion.
That's what I thought in the first place but then it was said every consumer needs to be using BT.2020 under every circumstance. I must have misunderstood that. I will ditch the profile and go back to exactly how I was originally.

Ok. The "wide" color gamut on my Samsung is called Color Space, specifically Native. So no, I'm not limited to BT.709. The Native setting brings it to BT.2020. This is how I've always had my settings. It covers 91.7% of DCI-P3 with my 'Native' color setting aka 'wide'.

Given I do have a gamut setting and I am not limited to BT.709, which of the settings I inquired is best?
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Old 28th March 2018, 21:18   #49924  |  Link
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Your's is similar to my display, for SDR using "this display is already calibrated" set madVR to DCI-P3.
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Old 28th March 2018, 21:32   #49925  |  Link
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Yes, back to original. Thank you for the confirmation.
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Old 28th March 2018, 21:40   #49926  |  Link
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Your's is similar to my display, for SDR using "this display is already calibrated" set madVR to DCI-P3.
Is there any advantage of doing this for SDR content instead of just leaving the TV at normal color gamut and madVR calibration disabled?
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Old 28th March 2018, 22:32   #49927  |  Link
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It actually might be better to use use "normal" gamut but then set madVR to BT.709. There is no reason to disable madVR's calibration if you know your display's gamut, it will only convert something if it not the correct gamut. This is important for SD material, which is often PAL or SMPTE-C, so madVR converts them to BT.709.

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Which is better depends entirely on your display. My TV's calibration is better if I use "wide" and compare it to DCI-P3. If I use "enhanced" and compare it to BT.709 it is pretty over saturated. However, if my "enhanced" (your "normal") option was closer to BT.709 it might be better to use that and have madVR set to BT.709.
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Old 28th March 2018, 23:08   #49928  |  Link
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Change the order from low to high instead of high to low:
2160p29, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60

Ok so this trick did the job now i have in madvr osd :

display 59.9hz
clock deviation -0.00000%

when i added 2160p24, 2160p25 then display it's showing actual refresh 23.976hz clock deviation 0.0000% but when switching off mpc-hc refresh rate doesnt change in windows though, it stays in 23hz


Now i did try to check chroma pattern test image over PC label on tv and this is what i can see, please see attachment.

So what i should leave and how, cause im really confused ???

1. Shall i leave those two strips too in madvr 2160p24 and 2160p25 but then i need to manually change refresh rate for my desktop.
2. Shall i leave PC input mode, cause then i can clearly see both numbers in chroma pattern image ?? 4:4:4 is bold
3. Or i can just leave hdmi input on tv and not bother about chroma image pattern ?
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Old 28th March 2018, 23:44   #49929  |  Link
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You've overlooked the setting in madVR for restoring the original refresh rate. You can choose to do it when the player exits full-screen, or when the player closes.
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Old 28th March 2018, 23:53   #49930  |  Link
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You've overlooked the setting in madVR for restoring the original refresh rate. You can choose to do it when the player exits full-screen, or when the player closes.

quite funny cause those were ticked switch display when player start and restore when player shut but didn't kick in. Once i changed for second apply and then back to first option, now it's kicking in properly
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Old 29th March 2018, 00:51   #49931  |  Link
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Change the order from low to high instead of high to low:
2160p29, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60

Edit: Seems the refresh rate matter is fixed. The correct display modes were 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p50, 2160p59 and 2160p60. At least, that's what I'd use.

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Old 29th March 2018, 00:57   #49932  |  Link
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Edit: Seems the refresh rate matter is fixed. The correct display modes were 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p50, 2160p59 and 2160p60. At least, that's what I'd use.

It did the job for me too, do u think we need to keep 23p and 24p too ? or from 30p and above?
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Old 29th March 2018, 01:19   #49933  |  Link
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Swap the 2160p50 for 2160p25. There are euro 25fps titles you may need to refresh rate match before 50fps titles and 25Hz will do 50Hz if needed. You definitely should keep 24p and 23p as that is what 99% of titles are.
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Old 29th March 2018, 02:34   #49934  |  Link
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Doesnt look like MPDN does 23,976 playback, i cant see anything in settings and nothing comes back on a google search, any other DIRECT3D11 players?
change it in the windows settings. it' pretty deep and in there to bad the driver drop support for that. typical AMD.
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Old 29th March 2018, 04:25   #49935  |  Link
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If u mean by 1:1 fullscreen then yeah i always look at the pattern in fullscreen. It's quite funny cause this is the only mode i can't see any number on it. When i set Ycbcr either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 there is always visible one or both numbers depending on mode.
I do NOT mean full screen. You need to view that image without any scaling at all. 1:1 means each pixel in the image is displayed as one pixel on the display. You should only see one of the numbers at a time, if you see both it is either scaling or there is other processing that imperfectly blends neighboring pixels.
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Old 29th March 2018, 09:23   #49936  |  Link
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NUC 5th Gen mini pc, Windows 7 pro with service pack 1, all extra services are turned off in msconfig.exe, except windows core and audio, no network, no bluetooth and no wifi, pc only has MPC-BE x64 v1.5.1 stabled and MadVR v0.92.12 installed. pc connect directly to Samsung Full HD Plasma.

I do not know what is happening to MadVR, when I am watching home video on DVD, madVR is rescaling my PAL DVD to VideoCD resolution and it can not resize to fit my screen. The displayed video is always in VCD resolution, 352x240, even in fullscreen mode. I do not watch DVD that often. The last time I watched one was last year. MadVR is displaying my rmvb and x264 contents correctly but not for DVD. Any reason why it does this.
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Old 29th March 2018, 10:37   #49937  |  Link
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change it in the windows settings. it' pretty deep and in there to bad the driver drop support for that. typical AMD.
I'll have a look at that tonight, might be able to use DEVCON

SETRES h3840 v2160 b32 f23,976
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Old 29th March 2018, 10:38   #49938  |  Link
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can you make a screen of the OSD(control+j)?
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Old 29th March 2018, 11:57   #49939  |  Link
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Swap the 2160p50 for 2160p25. There are euro 25fps titles you may need to refresh rate match before 50fps titles and 25Hz will do 50Hz if needed. You definitely should keep 24p and 23p as that is what 99% of titles are.
Ok cool, im Europe (UK) based so i deff will add 25p then, and remove 50p if there is no need for it
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Old 29th March 2018, 12:50   #49940  |  Link
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Ok cool, im Europe (UK) based so i deff will add 25p then, and remove 50p if there is no need for it
I most definitely would do the opposite. I'm in Europe and I've always used 1080p50 and never, ever, 1080p25.

People use 1080p24 because there are no "easy" direct multiple refresh rates until 120Hz are reached. But for 25fps material, 50Hz is a boon.
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