madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 2915

Asmodian · 4th January 2020, 00:17

Usually not but test it yourself with a gradient test pattern.

manderko · 4th January 2020, 06:58

Anyone have any idea the best way to play a 4K60fps using a 2070 MADVR via DSplayer on a JVC projector? I am getting massive frame drops. Have tried setting HTPC to 59hz, 60hz, etc. Anything I am missing? Thanks in advance.

Asmodian · 4th January 2020, 08:26

Check the OSD (ctrl-J). Are the queues full?

Siso · 4th January 2020, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodian

Usually not but test it yourself with a gradient test pattern.

Will try that.

Mano · 4th January 2020, 19:15

I just realized there is a fork for MPC-HC on github (github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc). Anyone has experience with it? Does it play nice with madvr compare to the last official release 1.7.13?

Klaus1189 · 4th January 2020, 19:31

@Mano: This thread covers that:

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175209

Mano · 4th January 2020, 22:33

Thanks Klaus.

Anyway i haven't update madvr for awhile and i see there is a new upscaling, NGU. How is it compare to Jinc or lancos?

Siso · 4th January 2020, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mano

Thanks Klaus.

Anyway i haven't update madvr for awhile and i see there is a new upscaling, NGU. How is it compare to Jinc or lancos?

NGU image doubling is way better, than regular upscaling. Try it.

Asmodian · 4th January 2020, 23:50

Especially true of NGU high and very high, NGU low is less impressive. Medium is a definite improvement over Jinc but NGU high or very high are the 'real' NGU algorithms in my opinion.

Mano · 5th January 2020, 06:13

What should i choose between NGU anti-alias, soft, standard, and sharp?

Asmodian · 5th January 2020, 06:55

I think Anti-alias is the most natural while sharp is the sharpest. Standard is between the two while soft is not very useful for me, anti-alias is better at a similar sharpness. Notice the lack of a strong recommendation.

I usually use anti-alias when sitting close to a larger screen but many prefer sharp. Those are the two I usually switch between, though some do like standard the most. It is definitely something you can and should decide for yourself, while remembering the content you are watching matters a lot too. If you are watching something different you might want to test again. With lower quality content anti-alias is usually better, sharp tends to make video artifacts much more noticeable.

chros · 5th January 2020, 09:32

I use on 4k screen for:
- 1080p: ngu sharp
- everything below 1080p: ngu aa

Siso · 5th January 2020, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodian

Especially true of NGU high and very high, NGU low is less impressive. Medium is a definite improvement over Jinc but NGU high or very high are the 'real' NGU algorithms in my opinion.

Agreed, if his card can handle high and very high.

Grimsdyke · 5th January 2020, 20:57

I am not sure if this thread is the best place to post this. If so, mods please move to the correct thread.

I have a few 50fps-720p-mp4-files downloaded from a public TV station's website here in Germany and when loaded in MadVR the OSD reports: frame 20 ms !!!
And since these are upscaled to 2160p I have massive frame drops. This happens only with these files - everything else is working fine at 40 ms.

Does anyone maybe knows what the problem is here ?? Is there just a flag wrong in these files ?? (MPC-BE and MPC-VR can play these without dropping frames.)

Klaus1189 · 5th January 2020, 21:10

25 fps has a frametime of 40ms
50 fps has a frametime of 20ms
Can you post a sample, maybe also per pm if it is not allowed to share that videos.

sneaker_ger · 5th January 2020, 21:36

Create an (empty) folder "ShowRenderSteps" within the madvr folder. Press ctrl+j to bring up the madvr OSD. Make a screenshot and post it here. From that you might find out where the bottleneck is. As Klaus said the difference seems to be the fps. Note that 50 fps will need about twice as much processing power as 25 fps for rendering (as well as more power for decoding). What hardware do you have?

Grimsdyke · 5th January 2020, 21:52

Thanks guys, that explains it. Will use a MPC-BE-VR-combo to play these files then !! But MPC-VR is using really so much less ressources than MadVR ??

WuNgUn · 5th January 2020, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimsdyke

Thanks guys, that explains it. Will use a MPC-BE-VR-combo to play these files then !! But MPC-VR is using really so much less ressources than MadVR ??

Less resource, even when MPC is using MADVR??

Asmodian · 5th January 2020, 22:15

You simply need to setup a different profile for 50 fps content in madVR. madVR can be very fast or very very slow depending on your settings. There are definitely good settings for madVR that will allow you to play 720p50 -> 2160p50.

WuNgUn · 5th January 2020, 22:29

Speaking of FPS...
Whenever I am not playing at 60Fps, my image is over scanning..?
Should I use my nVidia control panel to resize or scale? When I do, it seems instead of squeezing the image, it reduces the resolution...
This is what I mean (2160p25 Ultra Panavision, The Hateful Eight)
Also, I love how MadVR recognizes the Ultra Panavision!

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	Usually not but test it yourself with a gradient test pattern. __________________ madVR options explained

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	Check the OSD (ctrl-J). Are the queues full? __________________ madVR options explained

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	Especially true of NGU high and very high, NGU low is less impressive. Medium is a definite improvement over Jinc but NGU high or very high are the 'real' NGU algorithms in my opinion. __________________ madVR options explained

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	I think Anti-alias is the most natural while sharp is the sharpest. Standard is between the two while soft is not very useful for me, anti-alias is better at a similar sharpness. Notice the lack of a strong recommendation. I usually use anti-alias when sitting close to a larger screen but many prefer sharp. Those are the two I usually switch between, though some do like standard the most. It is definitely something you can and should decide for yourself, while remembering the content you are watching matters a lot too. If you are watching something different you might want to test again. With lower quality content anti-alias is usually better, sharp tends to make video artifacts much more noticeable. __________________ madVR options explained

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manderko Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1	Anyone have any idea the best way to play a 4K60fps using a 2070 MADVR via DSplayer on a JVC projector? I am getting massive frame drops. Have tried setting HTPC to 59hz, 60hz, etc. Anything I am missing? Thanks in advance.

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Mano Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 54	I just realized there is a fork for MPC-HC on github (github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc). Anyone has experience with it? Does it play nice with madvr compare to the last official release 1.7.13?

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Klaus1189 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,667	@Mano: This thread covers that: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175209

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Mano Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 54	Thanks Klaus. Anyway i haven't update madvr for awhile and i see there is a new upscaling, NGU. How is it compare to Jinc or lancos?

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Mano Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 54	What should i choose between NGU anti-alias, soft, standard, and sharp?

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Grimsdyke Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 292	I am not sure if this thread is the best place to post this. If so, mods please move to the correct thread. I have a few 50fps-720p-mp4-files downloaded from a public TV station's website here in Germany and when loaded in MadVR the OSD reports: frame 20 ms !!! And since these are upscaled to 2160p I have massive frame drops. This happens only with these files - everything else is working fine at 40 ms. Does anyone maybe knows what the problem is here ?? Is there just a flag wrong in these files ?? (MPC-BE and MPC-VR can play these without dropping frames.)

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Klaus1189 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,667	25 fps has a frametime of 40ms 50 fps has a frametime of 20ms Can you post a sample, maybe also per pm if it is not allowed to share that videos.

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sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	Create an (empty) folder "ShowRenderSteps" within the madvr folder. Press ctrl+j to bring up the madvr OSD. Make a screenshot and post it here. From that you might find out where the bottleneck is. As Klaus said the difference seems to be the fps. Note that 50 fps will need about twice as much processing power as 25 fps for rendering (as well as more power for decoding). What hardware do you have?

5th January 2020, 21:52	#58297 \| Link
Grimsdyke Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 292	Thanks guys, that explains it. Will use a MPC-BE-VR-combo to play these files then !! But MPC-VR is using really so much less ressources than MadVR ??

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	You simply need to setup a different profile for 50 fps content in madVR. madVR can be very fast or very very slow depending on your settings. There are definitely good settings for madVR that will allow you to play 720p50 -> 2160p50. __________________ madVR options explained

5th January 2020, 22:29	#58300 \| Link
WuNgUn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 94	Speaking of FPS... Whenever I am not playing at 60Fps, my image is over scanning..? Should I use my nVidia control panel to resize or scale? When I do, it seems instead of squeezing the image, it reduces the resolution... This is what I mean (2160p25 Ultra Panavision, The Hateful Eight) Also, I love how MadVR recognizes the Ultra Panavision!

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